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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 01/17] hashtable: introduce a small and naive hashtable
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 00:24:19 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120825042419.GA27240@Krystal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120824230740.GN21325@google.com>

* Tejun Heo (tj@kernel.org) wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 12:59:25AM +0200, Sasha Levin wrote:
> > Thats the thing, the amount of things of things you can do with a given bucket
> > is very limited. You can't add entries to any point besides the head (without
> > walking the entire list).
> 
> Kinda my point.  We already have all the hlist*() interface to deal
> with such cases.  Having something which is evidently the trivial
> hlist hashtable and advertises as such in the interface can be
> helpful.  I think we need that more than we need anything fancy.
> 
> Heh, this is a debate about which one is less insignificant.  I can
> see your point.  I'd really like to hear what others think on this.
> 
> Guys, do we want something which is evidently trivial hlist hashtable
> which can use hlist_*() API directly or do we want something better
> encapsulated?

My 2 cents, FWIW: I think this specific effort should target a trivially
understandable API and implementation, for use-cases where one would be
tempted to reimplement his own trivial hash table anyway. So here
exposing hlist internals, with which kernel developers are already
familiar, seems like a good approach in my opinion, because hiding stuff
behind new abstraction might make the target users go away.

Then, as we see the need, we can eventually merge a more elaborate hash
table with poneys and whatnot, but I would expect that the trivial hash
table implementation would still be useful. There are of course very
compelling reasons to use a more featureful hash table: automatic
resize, RT-aware updates, scalable updates, etc... but I see a purpose
for a trivial implementation. Its primary strong points being:

- it's trivially understandable, so anyone how want to be really sure
  they won't end up debugging the hash table instead of their
  work-in-progress code can have a full understanding of it,
- it has few dependencies, which makes it easier to understand and
  easier to use in some contexts (e.g. early boot).

So I'm in favor of not overdoing the abstraction for this trivial hash
table, and honestly I would rather prefer that this trivial hash table
stays trivial. A more elaborate hash table should probably come as a
separate API.

Thanks,

Mathieu

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
Operating System Efficiency R&D Consultant
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

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  reply	other threads:[~2012-08-25  4:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-08-22  2:26 [PATCH v3 00/17] generic hashtable implementation Sasha Levin
2012-08-22  2:26 ` [PATCH v3 01/17] hashtable: introduce a small and naive hashtable Sasha Levin
2012-08-22 18:01   ` Tejun Heo
2012-08-22 23:54     ` Ryan Mallon
2012-08-23  0:24     ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-23 20:04       ` Tejun Heo
2012-08-24 19:47         ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-24 19:59           ` Tejun Heo
2012-08-24 20:11             ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-24 20:33               ` Tejun Heo
2012-08-24 20:53                 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-24 21:23                   ` Tejun Heo
2012-08-24 22:59                     ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-24 23:07                       ` Tejun Heo
2012-08-25  4:24                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2012-08-28  9:56                           ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-28 10:11                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-08-28 11:27                               ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-28 11:56                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-08-28 23:00                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-09-04 15:35                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2012-09-04 16:30                                       ` Pedro Alves
2012-09-04 16:40                                         ` Pedro Alves
2012-09-04 17:01                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-09-06 13:53                                             ` Sasha Levin
2012-09-06 14:19                                               ` Pedro Alves
2012-09-06 14:33                                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-09-06 14:36                                               ` David Laight
2012-09-06 14:55                                               ` Josh Triplett
2012-09-06 15:11                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2012-09-06 15:49                                                 ` Sasha Levin
2012-09-06 16:00                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2012-09-06 16:21                                                     ` Sasha Levin
2012-09-06 16:50                                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-09-06 17:01                                                         ` Sasha Levin
2012-09-06 17:02                                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-09-06 17:15                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2012-09-04 17:17                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2012-09-04 17:21                                             ` Pedro Alves
2012-09-04 20:59                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2012-09-04 21:51                                                 ` Pedro Alves
2012-09-04 22:41                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2012-09-04 22:58                                                     ` Pedro Alves
2012-09-04 23:27                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2012-09-04 16:32                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-08-22  2:26 ` [PATCH v3 02/17] userns: use new hashtable implementation Sasha Levin
2012-08-22  2:26 ` [PATCH v3 03/17] mm,ksm: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-22  2:26 ` [PATCH v3 04/17] workqueue: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-22 18:05   ` Tejun Heo
2012-08-22  2:27 ` [PATCH v3 05/17] mm/huge_memory: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-22  2:27 ` [PATCH v3 06/17] tracepoint: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-22  2:27 ` [PATCH v3 07/17] net,9p: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-22  2:27 ` [PATCH v3 08/17] block,elevator: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-22  2:27 ` [PATCH v3 09/17] SUNRPC/cache: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-22  2:27 ` [PATCH v3 10/17] dlm: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-22  2:27 ` [PATCH v3 11/17] net,l2tp: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-22  2:27 ` [PATCH v3 12/17] dm: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-22  2:27 ` [PATCH v3 13/17] lockd: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-22 11:47   ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-08-22 12:13     ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-22 13:12       ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-08-22 13:22       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-08-22 17:32         ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-22  2:27 ` [PATCH v3 14/17] net,rds: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-22  2:27 ` [PATCH v3 15/17] openvswitch: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-22  2:27 ` [PATCH v3 16/17] tracing output: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-22  2:27 ` [PATCH v3 17/17] SUNRPC: use new hashtable implementation in auth Sasha Levin

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