From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>,
Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com, devel@openvz.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Suleiman Souhlal <suleiman@google.com>,
Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 19:37:32 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120930103732.GK10383@mtj.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1348995388.2458.8.camel@dabdike.int.hansenpartnership.com>
Hello, James.
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 09:56:28AM +0100, James Bottomley wrote:
> The beancounter approach originally used by OpenVZ does exactly this.
> There are two specific problems, though, firstly you can't count
> references in generic code, so now you have to extend the cgroup
> tentacles into every object, an invasiveness which people didn't really
> like.
Yeah, it will need some hooks. For dentry and inode, I think it would
be pretty well isolated tho. Wasn't it?
> Secondly split accounting causes oddities too, like your total
> kernel memory usage can appear to go down even though you do nothing
> just because someone else added a share. Worse, if someone drops the
> reference, your usage can go up, even though you did nothing, and push
> you over your limit, at which point action gets taken against the
> container. This leads to nasty system unpredictability (The whole point
> of cgroup isolation is supposed to be preventing resource usage in one
> cgroup from affecting that in another).
In a sense, the fluctuating amount is the actual resource burden the
cgroup is putting on the system, so maybe it just needs to be handled
better or maybe we should charge fixed amount per refcnt? I don't
know.
> We discussed this pretty heavily at the Containers Mini Summit in Santa
> Rosa. The emergent consensus was that no-one really likes first use
> accounting, but it does solve all the problems and it has the fewest
> unexpected side effects.
But that's like fitting the problem to the mechanism. Maybe that is
the best which can be done, but the side effect there is way-off
accounting under pretty common workload, which sounds pretty nasty to
me.
Thanks.
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tejun
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Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-09-18 14:03 [PATCH v3 00/13] kmem controller for memcg Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:03 ` [PATCH v3 01/13] memcg: Make it possible to use the stock for more than one page Glauber Costa
2012-10-01 18:48 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-09-18 14:03 ` [PATCH v3 02/13] memcg: Reclaim when more than one page needed Glauber Costa
2012-10-01 19:00 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-09-18 14:04 ` [PATCH v3 03/13] memcg: change defines to an enum Glauber Costa
2012-10-01 19:06 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-10-02 9:10 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:04 ` [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure Glauber Costa
2012-09-21 16:34 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-24 8:09 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-26 14:03 ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-26 14:33 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-26 16:01 ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-26 17:34 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-26 16:36 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-26 17:36 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-26 17:44 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-26 17:53 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-26 18:01 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-26 18:56 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-26 19:34 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-26 19:46 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-26 19:56 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-26 20:02 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-26 20:16 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-26 21:24 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-26 22:10 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-26 22:29 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-26 22:42 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-26 22:54 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-26 23:08 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-26 23:20 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-26 23:33 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-27 12:15 ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-27 12:20 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-27 12:40 ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-27 12:40 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-27 12:54 ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-27 14:28 ` Mel Gorman
2012-09-27 14:49 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-27 14:57 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-27 17:46 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-27 17:56 ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-27 18:45 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-30 7:57 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-30 8:02 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-30 8:56 ` James Bottomley
2012-09-30 10:37 ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2012-09-30 11:25 ` James Bottomley
2012-10-01 0:57 ` Tejun Heo
2012-10-01 8:43 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-01 8:46 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-03 22:59 ` Tejun Heo
2012-10-01 8:36 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-27 12:08 ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-27 12:11 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-27 14:33 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-27 14:43 ` Mel Gorman
2012-09-27 14:58 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-27 18:30 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-30 8:23 ` Tejun Heo
2012-10-01 8:45 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-03 22:54 ` Tejun Heo
2012-10-04 11:55 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-06 2:19 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-27 15:09 ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-30 8:47 ` Tejun Heo
2012-10-01 9:27 ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-03 22:43 ` Tejun Heo
2012-10-05 13:47 ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-26 22:11 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-09-26 22:45 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:04 ` [PATCH v3 05/13] Add a __GFP_KMEMCG flag Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:15 ` Rik van Riel
2012-09-18 15:06 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-09-19 7:39 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-19 14:07 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-09-27 13:34 ` Mel Gorman
2012-09-27 13:41 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-01 19:09 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-09-18 14:04 ` [PATCH v3 06/13] memcg: kmem controller infrastructure Glauber Costa
2012-09-20 16:05 ` JoonSoo Kim
2012-09-21 8:41 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-21 9:14 ` JoonSoo Kim
2012-09-26 15:51 ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-27 11:31 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-27 13:44 ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-28 11:34 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-30 8:25 ` Tejun Heo
2012-10-01 8:28 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-03 22:11 ` Tejun Heo
2012-10-01 9:44 ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-01 9:48 ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-01 10:09 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-01 11:51 ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-01 11:51 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-01 11:58 ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-01 12:04 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:04 ` [PATCH v3 07/13] mm: Allocate kernel pages to the right memcg Glauber Costa
2012-09-27 13:50 ` Mel Gorman
2012-09-28 9:43 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-28 13:28 ` Mel Gorman
2012-09-27 13:52 ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-18 14:04 ` [PATCH v3 08/13] res_counter: return amount of charges after res_counter_uncharge Glauber Costa
2012-10-01 10:00 ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-01 10:01 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:04 ` [PATCH v3 09/13] memcg: kmem accounting lifecycle management Glauber Costa
2012-10-01 12:15 ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-01 12:29 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-01 12:36 ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-01 12:43 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:04 ` [PATCH v3 10/13] memcg: use static branches when code not in use Glauber Costa
2012-10-01 12:25 ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-01 12:27 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:04 ` [PATCH v3 11/13] memcg: allow a memcg with kmem charges to be destructed Glauber Costa
2012-10-01 12:30 ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-18 14:04 ` [PATCH v3 12/13] execute the whole memcg freeing in rcu callback Glauber Costa
2012-09-21 17:23 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-24 8:48 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-01 13:27 ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-04 10:53 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-04 14:20 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-05 15:31 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-10-08 9:45 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:04 ` [PATCH v3 13/13] protect architectures where THREAD_SIZE >= PAGE_SIZE against fork bombs Glauber Costa
2012-10-01 13:17 ` Michal Hocko
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