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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com, Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	devel@openvz.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 04/14] kmem accounting basic infrastructure
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:37:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121018193717.GA13370@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1210171455010.20712@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

Hello, David.

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 03:08:04PM -0700, David Rientjes wrote:
> > +static int memcg_update_kmem_limit(struct cgroup *cont, u64 val)
> > +{
> > +	int ret = -EINVAL;
> > +#ifdef CONFIG_MEMCG_KMEM
> > +	struct mem_cgroup *memcg = mem_cgroup_from_cont(cont);
> > +	/*
> > +	 * For simplicity, we won't allow this to be disabled.  It also can't
> > +	 * be changed if the cgroup has children already, or if tasks had
> > +	 * already joined.
> > +	 *
> > +	 * If tasks join before we set the limit, a person looking at
> > +	 * kmem.usage_in_bytes will have no way to determine when it took
> > +	 * place, which makes the value quite meaningless.
> > +	 *
> > +	 * After it first became limited, changes in the value of the limit are
> > +	 * of course permitted.
> > +	 *
> > +	 * Taking the cgroup_lock is really offensive, but it is so far the only
> > +	 * way to guarantee that no children will appear. There are plenty of
> > +	 * other offenders, and they should all go away. Fine grained locking
> > +	 * is probably the way to go here. When we are fully hierarchical, we
> > +	 * can also get rid of the use_hierarchy check.
> 
> Not sure it's so offensive, it's a pretty standard way of ensuring that 
> cont->children doesn't get manipulated in a race.

cgroup_lock is inherently one of the outermost locks as it protects
cgroup hierarchy and modifying cgroup hierarchy involves invoking
subsystem callbacks which may grab subsystem locks.  Grabbing it
directly from subsystems thus creates high likelihood of creating a
dependency loop and it's nasty to break.

And I'm unsure whether making cgroup locks finer grained would help as
cpuset grabs cgroup_lock to perform actual task migration which would
require the outermost cgroup locking anyway.  This one already has
showed up in a couple lockdep warnings involving static_key usages.

A couple days ago, I posted a patchset to remove cgroup_lock usage
from cgroup_freezer and at least cgroup_freezer seems like it was
aiming for the wrong behavior which led to the wrong locking behavior
requiring grabbing cgroup_lock.  I can't say whether others will be
that easy tho.

Anyways, so, cgroup_lock is in the process of being unexported and I'd
really like another usage isn't added but maybe that requires larger
changes to memcg and not something which can be achieved here.  Dunno.
Will think more about it.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-10-18 19:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-10-16 10:16 [PATCH v5 00/14] kmem controller for memcg Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 01/14] memcg: Make it possible to use the stock for more than one page Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 22:11   ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-18 16:54     ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 02/14] memcg: Reclaim when more than one page needed Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 21:46   ` David Rientjes
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 03/14] memcg: change defines to an enum Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 21:50   ` David Rientjes
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 04/14] kmem accounting basic infrastructure Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 12:14   ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-17 22:08   ` David Rientjes
2012-10-18 17:01     ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 19:47       ` Tejun Heo
2012-10-18 19:37     ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2012-10-17 22:12   ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-18 17:03     ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 05/14] Add a __GFP_KMEMCG flag Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 12:15   ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-17 22:09   ` David Rientjes
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 06/14] memcg: kmem controller infrastructure Glauber Costa
2012-10-17  6:40   ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-10-17 22:12   ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-18  9:16     ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 22:06       ` David Rientjes
2012-10-19  9:10         ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-19  9:31           ` David Rientjes
2012-10-19 10:00             ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 22:37   ` David Rientjes
2012-10-18  9:23     ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 21:59       ` David Rientjes
2012-10-19 10:08         ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-19 20:34           ` David Rientjes
2012-10-22 12:34             ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-22 12:51               ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-22 12:52                 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 07/14] mm: Allocate kernel pages to the right memcg Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 15:31   ` Christoph Lameter
2012-10-16 18:55     ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 22:12   ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-18  9:24     ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 20:44       ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-18 11:53     ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 22:43   ` David Rientjes
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 08/14] res_counter: return amount of charges after res_counter_uncharge Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 23:23   ` David Rientjes
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 09/14] memcg: kmem accounting lifecycle management Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 23:28   ` David Rientjes
2012-10-18  6:14     ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-18  9:42     ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 10/14] memcg: use static branches when code not in use Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 11/14] memcg: allow a memcg with kmem charges to be destructed Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 22:12   ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-18  9:33     ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 12/14] execute the whole memcg freeing in free_worker Glauber Costa
2012-10-17  6:56   ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 13/14] protect architectures where THREAD_SIZE >= PAGE_SIZE against fork bombs Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 22:12   ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-18  9:37     ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 14/14] Add documentation about the kmem controller Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 12:23   ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-16 18:25   ` Christoph Lameter
2012-10-16 18:55     ` Aristeu Rozanski
2012-10-16 19:02     ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 19:30       ` Christoph Lameter
2012-10-17 22:12   ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-18  9:38     ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 22:11 ` [PATCH v5 00/14] kmem controller for memcg Andrew Morton
2012-10-18 16:51   ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 19:21     ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-19  9:55       ` Glauber Costa

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