From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
Lee Schermerhorn <Lee.Schermerhorn@hp.com>,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/27] Latest numa/core release, v16
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:17:04 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121120071704.GA14199@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFzQYH4qW_Cw3aHPT0bxsiC_Q_ggy4YtfvapiMG7bR=FsA@mail.gmail.com>
* Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hugepages is a must for most forms of NUMA/HPC. This alone
> > questions the relevance of most of your prior numa/core testing
> > results. I now have to strongly dispute your other conclusions
> > as well.
>
> Ingo, stop doing this kind of crap.
>
> Let's make it clear: if the NUMA patches continue to regress
> performance for reasonable loads (and that very much includes
> "no THP") then they won't be merged.
>
> You seem to be in total denial. Every time Mel sends out
> results that show that your patches MAKE PERFORMANCE WORSE you
> blame Mel, or blame the load, and never seem to admit that
> performance got worse.
No doubt numa/core should not regress with THP off or on and
I'll fix that.
As a background, here's how SPECjbb gets slower on mainline
(v3.7-rc6) if you boot Mel's kernel config and turn THP forcibly
off:
(avg: 502395 ops/sec)
(avg: 505902 ops/sec)
(avg: 509271 ops/sec)
# echo never > /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/enabled
(avg: 376989 ops/sec)
(avg: 379463 ops/sec)
(avg: 378131 ops/sec)
A ~30% slowdown.
[ How do I know? I asked for Mel's kernel config days ago and
actually booted Mel's very config in the past few days,
spending hours on testing it on 4 separate NUMA systems,
trying to find Mel's regression. In the past Mel was a
reliable tester so I blindly trusted his results. Was that
some weird sort of denial on my part? :-) ]
Every time a regression is reported I take it seriously - and
there were performance regression reports against numa/core not
just from Mel and I'm sure there will be more in the future. For
example I'm taking David Rijentje's fresh performance regression
report seriously as well.
What I have some problem with is Mel sending me his kernel
config as the thing he tested, and which config included:
CONFIG_TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE=y
CONFIG_TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE_ALWAYS=y
but he apparently went and explicitly disabled THP on top of
that - which was just a weird choice of 'negative test tuning'
to keep unreported. That made me waste quite some time booting
and debugging his config and made the finding of the root cause
of the testing difference unnecessarily hard for me.
Again, that's not an excuse for the performance regression in
the numa/core tree in any way and I'll fix it.
Thanks,
Ingo
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Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-11-19 2:14 [PATCH 00/27] Latest numa/core release, v16 Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 2:14 ` [PATCH 01/27] mm/generic: Only flush the local TLB in ptep_set_access_flags() Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 2:14 ` [PATCH 02/27] x86/mm: Only do a local tlb flush " Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 2:14 ` [PATCH 03/27] x86/mm: Introduce pte_accessible() Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 2:14 ` [PATCH 04/27] mm: Only flush the TLB when clearing an accessible pte Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 2:14 ` [PATCH 05/27] x86/mm: Completely drop the TLB flush from ptep_set_access_flags() Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 2:14 ` [PATCH 06/27] mm: Count the number of pages affected in change_protection() Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 2:14 ` [PATCH 07/27] mm: Optimize the TLB flush of sys_mprotect() and change_protection() users Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 2:14 ` [PATCH 08/27] sched, numa, mm: Add last_cpu to page flags Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 2:14 ` [PATCH 09/27] sched, mm, numa: Create generic NUMA fault infrastructure, with architectures overrides Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 2:14 ` [PATCH 10/27] sched: Make find_busiest_queue() a method Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 2:14 ` [PATCH 11/27] sched, numa, mm: Describe the NUMA scheduling problem formally Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 2:14 ` [PATCH 12/27] numa, mm: Support NUMA hinting page faults from gup/gup_fast Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 2:14 ` [PATCH 13/27] mm/migrate: Introduce migrate_misplaced_page() Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 2:14 ` [PATCH 14/27] sched, numa, mm, arch: Add variable locality exception Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 2:14 ` [PATCH 15/27] sched, numa, mm: Add credits for NUMA placement Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 2:14 ` [PATCH 16/27] sched, mm, x86: Add the ARCH_SUPPORTS_NUMA_BALANCING flag Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 2:14 ` [PATCH 17/27] sched, numa, mm: Add the scanning page fault machinery Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 2:14 ` [PATCH 18/27] sched: Add adaptive NUMA affinity support Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 2:14 ` [PATCH 19/27] sched: Implement constant, per task Working Set Sampling (WSS) rate Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 2:14 ` [PATCH 20/27] sched, numa, mm: Count WS scanning against present PTEs, not virtual memory ranges Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 2:14 ` [PATCH 21/27] sched: Implement slow start for working set sampling Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 2:14 ` [PATCH 22/27] sched, numa, mm: Interleave shared tasks Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 2:14 ` [PATCH 23/27] sched: Implement NUMA scanning backoff Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 2:14 ` [PATCH 24/27] sched: Improve convergence Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 2:14 ` [PATCH 25/27] sched: Introduce staged average NUMA faults Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 2:14 ` [PATCH 26/27] sched: Track groups of shared tasks Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 2:14 ` [PATCH 27/27] sched: Use the best-buddy 'ideal cpu' in balancing decisions Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 16:29 ` [PATCH 00/27] Latest numa/core release, v16 Mel Gorman
2012-11-19 19:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 21:18 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-19 22:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 23:00 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-20 0:41 ` Rik van Riel
2012-11-21 10:58 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-20 1:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-20 7:17 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2012-11-20 7:37 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-20 7:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-20 8:01 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-20 8:11 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-21 11:14 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-20 10:20 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-20 10:47 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-20 15:29 ` [PATCH] mm, numa: Turn 4K pte NUMA faults into effective hugepage ones Ingo Molnar
2012-11-20 16:09 ` [PATCH, v2] " Ingo Molnar
2012-11-20 16:31 ` Rik van Riel
2012-11-20 16:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-21 12:08 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-21 8:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-21 2:41 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-21 9:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-21 11:40 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-23 1:26 ` Alex Shi
2012-11-20 17:56 ` numa/core regressions fixed - more testers wanted Ingo Molnar
2012-11-21 1:54 ` Andrew Theurer
2012-11-21 3:22 ` Rik van Riel
2012-11-21 4:10 ` Hugh Dickins
2012-11-21 17:59 ` Andrew Theurer
2012-11-21 11:52 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-21 22:15 ` Andrew Theurer
2012-11-21 3:33 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-21 9:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-21 11:06 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-21 8:39 ` Alex Shi
2012-11-22 1:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-23 13:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-23 15:23 ` Alex Shi
2012-11-26 2:11 ` Alex Shi
2012-11-28 14:21 ` Alex Shi
2012-11-20 10:40 ` [PATCH 00/27] Latest numa/core release, v16 Ingo Molnar
2012-11-20 11:40 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-21 10:38 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-21 19:37 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-11-21 19:56 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-19 20:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-19 21:37 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-20 0:50 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-20 1:05 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-20 6:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-20 6:20 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-20 7:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-20 7:48 ` Paul Turner
2012-11-20 8:20 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-20 9:06 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-20 9:41 ` [patch] x86/vsyscall: Add Kconfig option to use native vsyscalls, switch to it Ingo Molnar
2012-11-20 23:01 ` Andy Lutomirski
2012-11-21 0:43 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-20 12:02 ` [PATCH] x86/mm: Don't flush the TLB on #WP pmd fixups Ingo Molnar
2012-11-20 12:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-21 11:47 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-21 1:22 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-21 17:02 ` [PATCH 00/27] Latest numa/core release, v16 Linus Torvalds
2012-11-21 17:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-21 17:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-22 4:31 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-21 17:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-21 22:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-21 22:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-21 17:45 ` Rik van Riel
2012-11-21 18:04 ` Ingo Molnar
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