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From: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>,
	Sonny Rao <sonnyrao@google.com>, Bryan Freed <bfreed@google.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] mm: prevent to add a page to swap if may_writepage is unset
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:52:22 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130121015222.GA3666@blaptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130117233641.GA31368@blaptop>

Hi,

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 08:36:42AM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 02:22:38PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 09:53:14 +0900
> > Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > Recently, Luigi reported there are lots of free swap space when
> > > OOM happens. It's easily reproduced on zram-over-swap, where
> > > many instance of memory hogs are running and laptop_mode is enabled.
> > > He said there was no problem when he disabled laptop_mode.
> > > 
> > > The problem when I investigate problem is following as.
> > > 
> > > Assumption for easy explanation: There are no page cache page in system
> > > because they all are already reclaimed.
> > > 
> > > 1. try_to_free_pages disable may_writepage when laptop_mode is enabled.
> > > 2. shrink_inactive_list isolates victim pages from inactive anon lru list.
> > > 3. shrink_page_list adds them to swapcache via add_to_swap but it doesn't
> > >    pageout because sc->may_writepage is 0 so the page is rotated back into
> > >    inactive anon lru list. The add_to_swap made the page Dirty by SetPageDirty
> > > 4. 3 couldn't reclaim any pages so do_try_to_free_pages increase priority and
> > >    retry reclaim with higher priority.
> > > 5. shrink_inactlive_list try to isolate victim pages from inactive anon lru list
> > >    but got failed because it try to isolate pages with ISOLATE_CLEAN mode but
> > >    inactive anon lru list is full of dirty pages by 3 so it just returns
> > >    without  any reclaim progress.
> > > 6. do_try_to_free_pages doesn't set may_write due to zero total_scanned.
> > 
> > s/may_write/may_writepage/
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> > 
> > >    Because sc->nr_scanned is increased by shrink_page_list but we don't call
> > >    shrink_page_list in 5 due to short of isolated pages.
> > 
> > This is the bug, is it not?
> > 
> > In laptop mode, we still need to write out dirty swapcache at some
> > point.  An appropriate time to do this is when the scanning priority is
> 
> Yes and when to some point is really important. Now, the point for that is
> depends on on the number of scanned pages by shrink_page_list. It means we
> must isolate victim pages from inactive LRU list and call shrink_page_list
> to increase sc->nr_scanned but unfortunately, we have various filters to
> decrease CPU consumption and LRU churning when VM try to isolate victim pages
> so it could prevent isolating victim pages from LRU list.
> 
> > getting high.  But it seems that this ISOLATE_CLEAN->total_scanned
> 
> Yes. I absolutely agree on that some point should depend on priority, NOT
> the number of scanned pages. And I already said to you about that.
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/1/10/643
> 
> We used to use such heuristic in several places in VM, ie DEF_PRIORITY - 2
> But why I hesitate with the patch is that I think this patch should go to
> stable tree so the patch should be really small and have no side effect so
> I don't wanted to change laptop_mode behavior heavily caused by changing
> condition for may_writepage trigger point.
> 
> > interaction is preventing that.
> > 
> > (An enhancement to laptop mode would be to opportunistically write out
> > dirty swapcache in or around laptop_mode_timer_fn()).
> 
> It could but it should be another patch and VM shouldn't rely on ONLY
> laptop_mode_timer_fn, IMHO. VM should have own rule to reclaim pages
> regardless of laptop_mode's help to prevent OOM kill.
> 
> > 
> > > Above loop is continued until OOM happens.
> > > The problem didn't happen before [1] was merged because old logic's isolatation
> > > in shrink_inactive_list was successful and tried to call shrink_page_list
> > > to pageout them but it still ends up failed to page out by may_writepage.
> > > But important point is that sc->nr_scanned was increased althoug we couldn't
> > > swap out them so do_try_to_free_pages could set may_writepages.
> > > So this patch need to go stable tree althoug it's a band-aid.
> > > Then, for latest linus tree, we should fix laptop_mode's fundamental
> > > problem.
> > 
> > Well.  Perhaps we can do that now.
> 
> Okay. If you don't object my suggestion, I will send patches next week.
> Thanks for the review, Andrew!

Andrew, If nobody objects, I would like to drop [1] and add ths patch instead of [1].
Luigi, below patch passed my test. If anybody doesn't object, could you test this
patch?

Thanks!

[1] mm: prevent addition of pages to swap if may_writepage is unset

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-01-21  1:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-01-09  6:21 [PATCH 0/2] Use up free swap space before reaching OOM kill Minchan Kim
2013-01-09  6:21 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: prevent to add a page to swap if may_writepage is unset Minchan Kim
2013-01-09  6:56   ` Johannes Weiner
2013-01-09  7:10     ` Minchan Kim
2013-01-10  0:18   ` Andrew Morton
2013-01-10  2:03     ` Minchan Kim
2013-01-10 23:24       ` Luigi Semenzato
2013-01-10 23:27         ` Luigi Semenzato
2013-01-11  4:03         ` Minchan Kim
2013-01-10  0:20   ` Andrew Morton
2013-01-16 21:41   ` Andrew Morton
2013-01-17  0:53     ` Minchan Kim
2013-01-17 22:22       ` Andrew Morton
2013-01-17 23:36         ` Minchan Kim
2013-01-21  1:52           ` Minchan Kim [this message]
2013-01-21 14:39             ` Rik van Riel
2013-01-22  0:09               ` Minchan Kim
2013-02-05  1:43                 ` Minchan Kim
2013-01-09  6:21 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm: forcely swapout when we are out of page cache Minchan Kim
2013-01-10  0:26   ` Andrew Morton
2013-01-10  2:23     ` Minchan Kim
2013-01-10 21:58       ` Andrew Morton
2013-01-11  4:43         ` Minchan Kim
2013-01-16  0:09           ` Andrew Morton
2013-01-16  0:32             ` Sonny Rao
2013-01-16  0:50               ` Andrew Morton
2013-01-16  1:21                 ` Sonny Rao
2013-01-16  4:47                   ` Minchan Kim
2013-01-16 20:08                     ` Sonny Rao
2013-01-16  4:43             ` Minchan Kim

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