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From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>,
	Valdis Kletnieks <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu>,
	Zlatko Calusic <zcalusic@bitsync.net>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	dormando <dormando@rydia.net>,
	Satoru Moriya <satoru.moriya@hds.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 05/10] mm: vmscan: Do not allow kswapd to scan at maximum priority
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:12:11 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130321101210.GF1878@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <514A604E.40303@redhat.com>

On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 09:20:14PM -0400, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On 03/17/2013 09:04 AM, Mel Gorman wrote:
> >Page reclaim at priority 0 will scan the entire LRU as priority 0 is
> >considered to be a near OOM condition. Kswapd can reach priority 0 quite
> >easily if it is encountering a large number of pages it cannot reclaim
> >such as pages under writeback. When this happens, kswapd reclaims very
> >aggressively even though there may be no real risk of allocation failure
> >or OOM.
> >
> >This patch prevents kswapd reaching priority 0 and trying to reclaim
> >the world. Direct reclaimers will still reach priority 0 in the event
> >of an OOM situation.
> >
> >Signed-off-by: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
> >---
> >  mm/vmscan.c | 2 +-
> >  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
> >
> >diff --git a/mm/vmscan.c b/mm/vmscan.c
> >index 7513bd1..af3bb6f 100644
> >--- a/mm/vmscan.c
> >+++ b/mm/vmscan.c
> >@@ -2891,7 +2891,7 @@ static unsigned long balance_pgdat(pg_data_t *pgdat, int order,
> >  		 */
> >  		if (raise_priority || !this_reclaimed)
> >  			sc.priority--;
> >-	} while (sc.priority >= 0 &&
> >+	} while (sc.priority >= 1 &&
> >  		 !pgdat_balanced(pgdat, order, *classzone_idx));
> >
> >  out:
> >
> 
> If priority 0 is way way way way way too aggressive, what makes
> priority 1 safe?
> 

The fact that priority 1 selects a sensible number of pages to reclaim and
obeys swappiness makes it a lot safer. Priority 0 does this in get_scan_count

        /*
         * Do not apply any pressure balancing cleverness when the
         * system is close to OOM, scan both anon and file equally
         * (unless the swappiness setting disagrees with swapping).
         */
        if (!sc->priority && vmscan_swappiness(sc)) {
                scan_balance = SCAN_EQUAL;
                goto out;
        }

.....

                size = get_lru_size(lruvec, lru);
                scan = size >> sc->priority;

                if (!scan && force_scan)
                        scan = min(size, SWAP_CLUSTER_MAX);

                switch (scan_balance) {
                case SCAN_EQUAL:
                        /* Scan lists relative to size */
                        break;

.....
		}
		nr[lru] = scan;

That is saying -- at priority 0, scan everything in all LRUs. When put in
combination with patch 2 it effectively means reclaim everything in all LRUs.
It reclaims every file page it can and swaps as much as possible resulting
in major slowdowns.

> This makes me wonder, are the priorities useful at all to kswapd?
> 

They are not as useful as I'd like. Just a streaming writer will be
enough to ensure that the lower priorities will never reclaim enough
pages to move the zone from the min to high watermark making the low
priorities almost completely useless.

-- 
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-03-21 10:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-17 13:04 [RFC PATCH 0/8] Reduce system disruption due to kswapd Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 01/10] mm: vmscan: Limit the number of pages kswapd reclaims at each priority Mel Gorman
2013-03-18 23:53   ` Simon Jeons
2013-03-19  9:55     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-19 10:16       ` Simon Jeons
2013-03-19 10:59         ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-20 16:18   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21  0:52     ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-22  0:08       ` Will Huck
2013-03-21  9:47     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 12:59       ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21  0:51   ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-21 15:57   ` Johannes Weiner
2013-03-21 16:47     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-22  0:05     ` Will Huck
2013-03-22  3:52       ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-22  3:56         ` Will Huck
2013-03-22  4:59           ` Will Huck
2013-03-22 13:01             ` Rik van Riel
2013-04-05  0:05               ` Will Huck
2013-04-07  7:32                 ` Will Huck
2013-04-07  7:35                 ` Will Huck
2013-04-11  5:54         ` Will Huck
2013-04-11  5:58         ` Will Huck
2013-04-12  5:46           ` Ric Mason
2013-04-12  9:34             ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-12 13:40               ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-25  9:07   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-25  9:13     ` Jiri Slaby
2013-03-28 22:31       ` Jiri Slaby
2013-03-29  8:22         ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-30 22:07           ` Jiri Slaby
2013-04-02 11:15             ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 02/10] mm: vmscan: Obey proportional scanning requirements for kswapd Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 14:39   ` Andi Kleen
2013-03-17 15:08     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21  1:10   ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-21  9:54     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 14:01   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 14:31     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 15:07       ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 15:34         ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-22  7:54           ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-22  8:37             ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-22 10:04               ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-22 10:47                 ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 16:25   ` Johannes Weiner
2013-03-21 18:02     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-22 16:53       ` Johannes Weiner
2013-03-22 18:25         ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-22 19:09           ` Johannes Weiner
2013-03-22 19:46             ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 03/10] mm: vmscan: Flatten kswapd priority loop Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 14:36   ` Andi Kleen
2013-03-17 15:09     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-18  7:02   ` Hillf Danton
2013-03-19 10:01     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-18 23:58   ` Simon Jeons
2013-03-19 10:12     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-19  3:08   ` Simon Jeons
2013-03-19  8:23     ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-19 10:14     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-19 10:26       ` Simon Jeons
2013-03-19 11:01         ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 14:54   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 15:26     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 15:38       ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 04/10] mm: vmscan: Decide whether to compact the pgdat based on reclaim progress Mel Gorman
2013-03-18 11:11   ` Wanpeng Li
2013-03-18 11:11   ` Wanpeng Li
2013-03-19 10:19     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-18 11:35   ` Hillf Danton
2013-03-19 10:27     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 15:32   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 15:47     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 15:50       ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 05/10] mm: vmscan: Do not allow kswapd to scan at maximum priority Mel Gorman
2013-03-21  1:20   ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-21 10:12     ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2013-03-21 12:30       ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-21 15:48   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 06/10] mm: vmscan: Have kswapd writeback pages based on dirty pages encountered, not priority Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 14:42   ` Andi Kleen
2013-03-17 15:11     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 17:53       ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-21 18:15         ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 18:21           ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-18 11:08   ` Wanpeng Li
2013-03-18 11:08   ` Wanpeng Li
2013-03-19 10:35     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 07/10] mm: vmscan: Block kswapd if it is encountering pages under writeback Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 14:49   ` Andi Kleen
2013-03-17 15:19     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 15:40       ` Andi Kleen
2013-03-19 11:06         ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-18 11:37   ` Simon Jeons
2013-03-19 10:57     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-18 11:58   ` Wanpeng Li
2013-03-19 10:58     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-18 11:58   ` Wanpeng Li
2013-03-21 16:32   ` [PATCH 07/10 -v2r1] " Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 18:42   ` [PATCH 07/10] " Rik van Riel
2013-03-22  8:27     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 08/10] mm: vmscan: Have kswapd shrink slab only once per priority Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 14:53   ` Andi Kleen
2013-03-21 16:47   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 19:47   ` Rik van Riel
2013-04-09  6:53   ` Joonsoo Kim
2013-04-09  8:41     ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-09 11:13     ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-10  1:07       ` Dave Chinner
2013-04-10  5:23         ` Joonsoo Kim
2013-04-11  9:53         ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-10  5:21       ` Joonsoo Kim
2013-04-11 10:01         ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-11 10:29           ` Ric Mason
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 09/10] mm: vmscan: Check if kswapd should writepage " Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 16:58   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 18:07     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 19:52   ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 10/10] mm: vmscan: Move logic from balance_pgdat() to kswapd_shrink_zone() Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 14:55   ` Andi Kleen
2013-03-17 15:25     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 17:18   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 18:13     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 10:44 ` [RFC PATCH 0/8] Reduce system disruption due to kswapd Damien Wyart
2013-03-21 10:54   ` Zlatko Calusic
2013-03-21 11:48     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 11:20   ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-22 14:37 ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-24 19:00 ` Jiri Slaby
2013-03-25  8:17   ` Michal Hocko
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-04-09 11:06 [PATCH 0/10] Reduce system disruption due to kswapd V2 Mel Gorman
2013-04-09 11:07 ` [PATCH 05/10] mm: vmscan: Do not allow kswapd to scan at maximum priority Mel Gorman
2013-04-11 19:57 [PATCH 0/10] Reduce system disruption due to kswapd V3 Mel Gorman
2013-04-11 19:57 ` [PATCH 05/10] mm: vmscan: Do not allow kswapd to scan at maximum priority Mel Gorman
2013-04-18 15:11   ` Johannes Weiner

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