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From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>,
	Valdis Kletnieks <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Zlatko Calusic <zcalusic@bitsync.net>,
	dormando <dormando@rydia.net>,
	Satoru Moriya <satoru.moriya@hds.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/10] mm: vmscan: Obey proportional scanning requirements for kswapd
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:02:38 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130321180238.GM1878@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130321162518.GB27848@cmpxchg.org>

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 12:25:18PM -0400, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 01:04:08PM +0000, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > Simplistically, the anon and file LRU lists are scanned proportionally
> > depending on the value of vm.swappiness although there are other factors
> > taken into account by get_scan_count().  The patch "mm: vmscan: Limit
> > the number of pages kswapd reclaims" limits the number of pages kswapd
> > reclaims but it breaks this proportional scanning and may evenly shrink
> > anon/file LRUs regardless of vm.swappiness.
> > 
> > This patch preserves the proportional scanning and reclaim. It does mean
> > that kswapd will reclaim more than requested but the number of pages will
> > be related to the high watermark.
> 
> Swappiness is about page types, but this implementation compares all
> LRUs against each other, and I'm not convinced that this makes sense
> as there is no guaranteed balance between the inactive and active
> lists.  For example, the active file LRU could get knocked out when
> it's almost empty while the inactive file LRU has more easy cache than
> the anon lists combined.
> 

Ok, I see your point. I think Michal was making the same point but I
failed to understand it the first time around.

> Would it be better to compare the sum of file pages with the sum of
> anon pages and then knock out the smaller pair?

Yes, it makes more sense but the issue then becomes how can we do that
sensibly, The following is straight-forward and roughly in line with your
suggestion but it does not preseve the scanning ratio between active and
inactive of the remaining LRU lists.

                /*
                 * For kswapd and memcg, reclaim at least the number of pages
                 * requested. Ensure that the anon and file LRUs shrink
                 * proportionally what was requested by get_scan_count(). We
                 * stop reclaiming one LRU and reduce the amount scanning
                 * required on the other.
                 */
                nr_file = nr[LRU_INACTIVE_FILE] + nr[LRU_ACTIVE_FILE];
                nr_anon = nr[LRU_INACTIVE_ANON] + nr[LRU_ACTIVE_ANON];

                if (nr_file > nr_anon) {
                        nr[LRU_INACTIVE_FILE] -= min(nr_anon, nr[LRU_INACTIVE_FILE]);
                        nr[LRU_ACTIVE_FILE]   -= min(nr_anon, nr[LRU_ACTIVE_FILE]);
                        nr[LRU_INACTIVE_ANON] = nr[LRU_ACTIVE_ANON] = 0;
                } else {
                        nr[LRU_INACTIVE_ANON] -= min(nr_file, nr[LRU_INACTIVE_ANON]);
                        nr[LRU_ACTIVE_ANON]   -= min(nr_file, nr[LRU_ACTIVE_ANON]);
                        nr[LRU_INACTIVE_FILE] = nr[LRU_ACTIVE_FILE] = 0;
                }
                scan_adjusted = true;

Preserving the ratio gets complicated and to avoid excessive branching,
it ends up looking like the following untested code.

		/*
		 * For kswapd and memcg, reclaim at least the number of pages
		 * requested. Ensure that the anon and file LRUs shrink
		 * proportionally what was requested by get_scan_count(). We
		 * stop reclaiming one LRU and reduce the amount scanning
		 * required on the other preserving the ratio between the
		 * active/inactive lists.
		 *
		 * Start by preparing to shrink the larger of the LRUs by
		 * the size of the smaller list.
		 */
		nr_file = nr[LRU_INACTIVE_FILE] + nr[LRU_ACTIVE_FILE];
		nr_anon = nr[LRU_INACTIVE_ANON] + nr[LRU_ACTIVE_ANON];
		nr_shrink = (nr_file > nr_anon) ? nr_anon : nr_file;
		lru = (nr_file > nr_anon) ? LRU_FILE : 0;

		/* Work out the ratio of the inactive/active list */
		top = min(nr[LRU_ACTIVE + lru], nr[lru]);
		bottom = max(nr[LRU_ACTIVE + lru], nr[lru]);
		percentage = top * 100 / bottom;
		nr_fraction = nr_shrink * percentage / 100;
		nr_remaining = nr_anon - nr_fraction;

		/* Reduce the remaining pages to scan proportionally */
		if (nr[LRU_ACTIVE + lru] > nr[lru]) {
			nr[LRU_ACTIVE + lru] -= min(nr_remaining, nr[LRU_ACTIVE + lru]);
			nr[lru] -= min(nr_fraction,  nr[lru]);
		} else {
			nr[LRU_ACTIVE + lru] -= min(nr_fraction, nr[LRU_ACTIVE + lru]);
			nr[lru] -= min(nr_remaining,  nr[lru]);
		}

		/* Stop scanning the smaller LRU */
		lru = (lru == LRU_FILE) ? LRU_BASE : LRU_FILE;
		nr[LRU_ACTIVE + lru] = 0;
		nr[lru] = 0;

Is this what you had in mind or had you something simplier in mind?

-- 
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-03-21 18:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-17 13:04 [RFC PATCH 0/8] Reduce system disruption due to kswapd Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 01/10] mm: vmscan: Limit the number of pages kswapd reclaims at each priority Mel Gorman
2013-03-18 23:53   ` Simon Jeons
2013-03-19  9:55     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-19 10:16       ` Simon Jeons
2013-03-19 10:59         ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-20 16:18   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21  0:52     ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-22  0:08       ` Will Huck
2013-03-21  9:47     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 12:59       ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21  0:51   ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-21 15:57   ` Johannes Weiner
2013-03-21 16:47     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-22  0:05     ` Will Huck
2013-03-22  3:52       ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-22  3:56         ` Will Huck
2013-03-22  4:59           ` Will Huck
2013-03-22 13:01             ` Rik van Riel
2013-04-05  0:05               ` Will Huck
2013-04-07  7:32                 ` Will Huck
2013-04-07  7:35                 ` Will Huck
2013-04-11  5:54         ` Will Huck
2013-04-11  5:58         ` Will Huck
2013-04-12  5:46           ` Ric Mason
2013-04-12  9:34             ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-12 13:40               ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-25  9:07   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-25  9:13     ` Jiri Slaby
2013-03-28 22:31       ` Jiri Slaby
2013-03-29  8:22         ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-30 22:07           ` Jiri Slaby
2013-04-02 11:15             ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 02/10] mm: vmscan: Obey proportional scanning requirements for kswapd Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 14:39   ` Andi Kleen
2013-03-17 15:08     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21  1:10   ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-21  9:54     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 14:01   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 14:31     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 15:07       ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 15:34         ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-22  7:54           ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-22  8:37             ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-22 10:04               ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-22 10:47                 ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 16:25   ` Johannes Weiner
2013-03-21 18:02     ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2013-03-22 16:53       ` Johannes Weiner
2013-03-22 18:25         ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-22 19:09           ` Johannes Weiner
2013-03-22 19:46             ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 03/10] mm: vmscan: Flatten kswapd priority loop Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 14:36   ` Andi Kleen
2013-03-17 15:09     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-18  7:02   ` Hillf Danton
2013-03-19 10:01     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-18 23:58   ` Simon Jeons
2013-03-19 10:12     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-19  3:08   ` Simon Jeons
2013-03-19  8:23     ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-19 10:14     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-19 10:26       ` Simon Jeons
2013-03-19 11:01         ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 14:54   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 15:26     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 15:38       ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 04/10] mm: vmscan: Decide whether to compact the pgdat based on reclaim progress Mel Gorman
2013-03-18 11:11   ` Wanpeng Li
2013-03-18 11:11   ` Wanpeng Li
2013-03-19 10:19     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-18 11:35   ` Hillf Danton
2013-03-19 10:27     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 15:32   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 15:47     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 15:50       ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 05/10] mm: vmscan: Do not allow kswapd to scan at maximum priority Mel Gorman
2013-03-21  1:20   ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-21 10:12     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 12:30       ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-21 15:48   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 06/10] mm: vmscan: Have kswapd writeback pages based on dirty pages encountered, not priority Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 14:42   ` Andi Kleen
2013-03-17 15:11     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 17:53       ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-21 18:15         ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 18:21           ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-18 11:08   ` Wanpeng Li
2013-03-19 10:35     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-18 11:08   ` Wanpeng Li
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 07/10] mm: vmscan: Block kswapd if it is encountering pages under writeback Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 14:49   ` Andi Kleen
2013-03-17 15:19     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 15:40       ` Andi Kleen
2013-03-19 11:06         ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-18 11:37   ` Simon Jeons
2013-03-19 10:57     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-18 11:58   ` Wanpeng Li
2013-03-18 11:58   ` Wanpeng Li
2013-03-19 10:58     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 16:32   ` [PATCH 07/10 -v2r1] " Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 18:42   ` [PATCH 07/10] " Rik van Riel
2013-03-22  8:27     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 08/10] mm: vmscan: Have kswapd shrink slab only once per priority Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 14:53   ` Andi Kleen
2013-03-21 16:47   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 19:47   ` Rik van Riel
2013-04-09  6:53   ` Joonsoo Kim
2013-04-09  8:41     ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-09 11:13     ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-10  1:07       ` Dave Chinner
2013-04-10  5:23         ` Joonsoo Kim
2013-04-11  9:53         ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-10  5:21       ` Joonsoo Kim
2013-04-11 10:01         ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-11 10:29           ` Ric Mason
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 09/10] mm: vmscan: Check if kswapd should writepage " Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 16:58   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 18:07     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 19:52   ` Rik van Riel
2013-03-17 13:04 ` [PATCH 10/10] mm: vmscan: Move logic from balance_pgdat() to kswapd_shrink_zone() Mel Gorman
2013-03-17 14:55   ` Andi Kleen
2013-03-17 15:25     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 17:18   ` Michal Hocko
2013-03-21 18:13     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 10:44 ` [RFC PATCH 0/8] Reduce system disruption due to kswapd Damien Wyart
2013-03-21 10:54   ` Zlatko Calusic
2013-03-21 11:48     ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-21 11:20   ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-22 14:37 ` Mel Gorman
2013-03-24 19:00 ` Jiri Slaby
2013-03-25  8:17   ` Michal Hocko
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-04-09 11:06 [PATCH 0/10] Reduce system disruption due to kswapd V2 Mel Gorman
2013-04-09 11:06 ` [PATCH 02/10] mm: vmscan: Obey proportional scanning requirements for kswapd Mel Gorman
2013-04-10  7:16   ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2013-04-10 14:08     ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-11  0:14       ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2013-04-11  9:09         ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-11 19:57 [PATCH 0/10] Reduce system disruption due to kswapd V3 Mel Gorman
2013-04-11 19:57 ` [PATCH 02/10] mm: vmscan: Obey proportional scanning requirements for kswapd Mel Gorman
2013-04-18 15:01   ` Johannes Weiner
2013-04-18 15:58     ` Mel Gorman

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