From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from psmtp.com (na3sys010amx107.postini.com [74.125.245.107]) by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B34026B0031 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 04:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f43.google.com with SMTP id md12so366776pbc.30 for ; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 01:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 01:20:23 -0700 From: Tejun Heo Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] memcg: simplify mem_cgroup_reclaim_iter Message-ID: <20130605082023.GG7303@mtj.dyndns.org> References: <1370306679-13129-1-git-send-email-tj@kernel.org> <1370306679-13129-4-git-send-email-tj@kernel.org> <20130604131843.GF31242@dhcp22.suse.cz> <20130604205025.GG14916@htj.dyndns.org> <20130604212808.GB13231@dhcp22.suse.cz> <20130604215535.GM14916@htj.dyndns.org> <20130605073023.GB15997@dhcp22.suse.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20130605073023.GB15997@dhcp22.suse.cz> Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org List-ID: To: Michal Hocko Cc: hannes@cmpxchg.org, bsingharora@gmail.com, cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, lizefan@huawei.com Hello, Michal. On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 09:30:23AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote: > > I don't really get that. As long as the amount is bound and the > > overhead negligible / acceptable, why does it matter how long the > > pinning persists? > > Because the amount is not bound either. Just create a hierarchy and > trigger the hard limit and if you are careful enough you can always keep > some of the children in the cached pointer (with css reference, if you > will) and then release the hierarchy. You can do that repeatedly and > leak considerable amount of memory. It's still bound, no? Each live memcg can only keep limited number of cgroups cached, right? > > We aren't talking about something gigantic or can > > mem_cgroup is 888B now (depending on configuration). So I wouldn't call > it negligible. Do you think that the number can actually grow harmful? Would you be kind enough to share some calculations with me? > > In the off chance that this is a real problem, which I strongly doubt, > > as I wrote to Johannes, we can implement extremely dumb cleanup > > routine rather than this weak reference beast. > > That was my first version (https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/1/3/298) and > Johannes didn't like. To be honest I do not care _much_ which way we go > but we definitely cannot pin those objects for ever. I'll get to the barrier thread but really complex barrier dancing like that is only justifiable in extremely hot paths a lot of people pay attention to. It doesn't belong inside memcg proper. If the cached amount is an actual concern, let's please implement a simple clean up thing. All we need is a single delayed_work which scans the tree periodically. Johannes, what do you think? Thanks. -- tejun -- To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in the body to majordomo@kvack.org. For more info on Linux MM, see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ . Don't email: email@kvack.org