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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@tilera.com>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Cody P Schafer <cody@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/2] mm: make lru_add_drain_all() selective
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 15:26:22 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130813152622.f15dcaaa672ba182308ce29f@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <520AAF9C.1050702@tilera.com>

On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 18:13:48 -0400 Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@tilera.com> wrote:

> On 8/13/2013 5:13 PM, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:59:54 -0400 Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@tilera.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> Then again, why does this patchset exist?  It's a performance
> >>> optimisation so presumably someone cares.  But not enough to perform
> >>> actual measurements :(
> >> The patchset exists because of the difference between zero overhead on
> >> cpus that don't have drainable lrus, and non-zero overhead.  This turns
> >> out to be important on workloads where nohz cores are handling 10 Gb
> >> traffic in userspace and really, really don't want to be interrupted,
> >> or they drop packets on the floor.
> > But what is the effect of the patchset?  Has it been tested against the
> > problematic workload(s)?
> 
> Yes.  The result is that syscalls such as mlockall(), which otherwise interrupt
> every core, don't interrupt the cores that are running purely in userspace.
> Since they are purely in userspace they don't have any drainable pagevecs,
> so the patchset means they don't get interrupted and don't drop packets.
> 
> I implemented this against Linux 2.6.38 and our home-grown version of nohz
> cpusets back in July 2012, and we have been shipping it to customers since then.

argh.

Those per-cpu LRU pagevecs were a nasty but very effective locking
amortization hack back in, umm, 2002.  They have caused quite a lot of
weird corner-case behaviour, resulting in all the lru_add_drain_all()
calls sprinkled around the place.  I'd like to nuke the whole thing,
but that would require a fundamental rethnik/rework of all the LRU list
locking.

According to the 8891d6da17db0f changelog, the lru_add_drain_all() in
sys_mlock() isn't really required: "it isn't must.  but it reduce the
failure of moving to unevictable list.  its failure can rescue in
vmscan later.  but reducing is better."

I suspect we could just kill it.

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-13 22:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-06 20:22 [PATCH] mm: make lru_add_drain_all() selective Chris Metcalf
2013-08-06 20:22 ` [PATCH v2] " Chris Metcalf
2013-08-07 20:45   ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-07 20:49     ` [PATCH v3 1/2] workqueue: add new schedule_on_cpu_mask() API Chris Metcalf
2013-08-07 20:52     ` [PATCH v3 2/2] mm: make lru_add_drain_all() selective Chris Metcalf
2013-08-07 22:48   ` [PATCH v2] " Cody P Schafer
2013-08-07 20:49     ` [PATCH v4 1/2] workqueue: add new schedule_on_cpu_mask() API Chris Metcalf
2013-08-09 15:02       ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-09 16:12         ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-09 16:30           ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-07 20:49             ` [PATCH v5 " Chris Metcalf
2013-08-09 17:40               ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-09 17:49                 ` [PATCH v6 " Chris Metcalf
2013-08-09 17:52                 ` [PATCH v6 2/2] mm: make lru_add_drain_all() selective Chris Metcalf
2013-08-07 20:52             ` [PATCH v5 " Chris Metcalf
2013-08-07 20:52     ` [PATCH v4 " Chris Metcalf
2013-08-12 21:05       ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-13  1:53         ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-13 19:35           ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-13 20:19             ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-13 20:31               ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-13 20:59                 ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-13 21:13                   ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-13 22:13                     ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-13 22:26                       ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2013-08-13 23:04                         ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-13 22:51                       ` [PATCH v7 1/2] workqueue: add schedule_on_each_cpu_cond Chris Metcalf
2013-08-13 22:53                       ` [PATCH v7 2/2] mm: make lru_add_drain_all() selective Chris Metcalf
2013-08-13 23:29                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-13 23:32                           ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-14  6:46                             ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-14 13:05                               ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-14 16:03                               ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-14 16:57                                 ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-14 17:18                                   ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-14 20:07                                     ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-14 20:22                                       ` [PATCH v8] " Chris Metcalf
2013-08-14 20:44                                         ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-14 20:50                                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-14 21:03                                             ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-14 21:07                                             ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-14 21:12                                         ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-14 21:23                                           ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-13 23:44                           ` [PATCH v7 2/2] " Chris Metcalf
2013-08-13 23:51                             ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-13 21:07                 ` [PATCH v4 " Tejun Heo
2013-08-13 21:16                   ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-13 22:07                     ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-13 22:18                       ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-13 22:33                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-13 22:47                           ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-13 23:03                             ` Tejun Heo

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