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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
Cc: Glauber Costa <glommer@gmail.com>, azurIt <azurit@pobox.sk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch 0/7] improve memcg oom killer robustness v2
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 08:59:38 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130912125938.GP856@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130909125659.GD22212@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 02:56:59PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> [Adding Glauber - the full patch is here https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/9/5/319]
> 
> On Mon 09-09-13 14:36:25, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > On Thu 05-09-13 12:18:17, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> > [...]
> > > From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
> > > Subject: [patch] mm: memcg: do not trap chargers with full callstack on OOM
> > > 
> > [...]
> > > 
> > > To fix this, never do any OOM handling directly in the charge context.
> > > When an OOM situation is detected, let the task remember the memcg and
> > > then handle the OOM (kill or wait) only after the page fault stack is
> > > unwound and about to return to userspace.
> > 
> > OK, this is indeed nicer because the oom setup is trivial and the
> > handling is not split into two parts and everything happens close to
> > out_of_memory where it is expected.
> 
> Hmm, wait a second. I have completely forgot about the kmem charging
> path during the review.
> 
> So while previously memcg_charge_kmem could have oom killed a
> task if the it couldn't charge to the u-limit after it managed
> to charge k-limit, now it would simply fail because there is no
> mem_cgroup_{enable,disable}_oom around __mem_cgroup_try_charge it relies
> on. The allocation will fail in the end but I am not sure whether the
> missing oom is an issue or not for existing use cases.

Kernel sites should be able to handle -ENOMEM, right?  And if this
nests inside a userspace fault, it'll still enter OOM.

> My original objection about oom triggered from kmem paths was that oom
> is not kmem aware so the oom decisions might be totally bogus. But we
> still have that:

Well, k should be a fraction of u+k on any reasonable setup, so there
are always appropriate candidates to take down.

>         /*
>          * Conditions under which we can wait for the oom_killer. Those are
>          * the same conditions tested by the core page allocator
>          */
>         may_oom = (gfp & __GFP_FS) && !(gfp & __GFP_NORETRY);
> 
>         _memcg = memcg;
>         ret = __mem_cgroup_try_charge(NULL, gfp, size >> PAGE_SHIFT,
>                                       &_memcg, may_oom);
> 
> I do not mind having may_oom = false unconditionally in that path but I
> would like to hear fromm Glauber first.

The patch I just sent to azur puts this conditional into try_charge(),
so I'd just change the kmem site to pass `true'.

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-12 12:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-03 16:59 [patch 0/7] improve memcg oom killer robustness v2 Johannes Weiner
2013-08-03 16:59 ` [patch 1/7] arch: mm: remove obsolete init OOM protection Johannes Weiner
2013-08-06  6:34   ` Vineet Gupta
2013-08-03 16:59 ` [patch 2/7] arch: mm: do not invoke OOM killer on kernel fault OOM Johannes Weiner
2013-08-03 16:59 ` [patch 3/7] arch: mm: pass userspace fault flag to generic fault handler Johannes Weiner
2013-08-05 22:06   ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-05 22:25     ` Johannes Weiner
2013-08-03 16:59 ` [patch 4/7] x86: finish user fault error path with fatal signal Johannes Weiner
2013-08-03 16:59 ` [patch 5/7] mm: memcg: enable memcg OOM killer only for user faults Johannes Weiner
2013-08-05  9:18   ` Michal Hocko
2013-08-03 16:59 ` [patch 6/7] mm: memcg: rework and document OOM waiting and wakeup Johannes Weiner
2013-08-03 17:00 ` [patch 7/7] mm: memcg: do not trap chargers with full callstack on OOM Johannes Weiner
2013-08-05  9:54   ` Michal Hocko
2013-08-05 20:56     ` Johannes Weiner
2013-08-03 17:08 ` [patch 0/7] improve memcg oom killer robustness v2 Johannes Weiner
2013-08-09  9:06   ` azurIt
2013-08-30 19:58   ` azurIt
2013-09-02 10:38     ` azurIt
2013-09-03 20:48       ` Johannes Weiner
2013-09-04  7:53         ` azurIt
2013-09-04  8:18         ` azurIt
2013-09-05 11:54           ` Johannes Weiner
2013-09-05 12:43             ` Michal Hocko
2013-09-05 16:18               ` Johannes Weiner
2013-09-09 12:36                 ` Michal Hocko
2013-09-09 12:56                   ` Michal Hocko
2013-09-12 12:59                     ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2013-09-16 14:03                       ` Michal Hocko
2013-09-05 13:24             ` Michal Hocko
2013-09-09 13:10             ` azurIt
2013-09-09 17:28               ` Johannes Weiner
2013-09-09 19:59                 ` azurIt
2013-09-09 20:12                   ` Johannes Weiner
2013-09-09 20:18                     ` azurIt
2013-09-09 21:08                     ` azurIt
2013-09-10 18:13                     ` azurIt
2013-09-10 18:37                       ` Johannes Weiner
2013-09-10 19:32                         ` azurIt
2013-09-10 20:12                           ` Johannes Weiner
2013-09-10 21:08                             ` azurIt
2013-09-10 21:18                               ` Johannes Weiner
2013-09-10 21:32                                 ` azurIt
2013-09-10 22:03                                   ` Johannes Weiner
2013-09-11 12:33                                     ` azurIt
2013-09-11 18:03                                       ` Johannes Weiner
2013-09-11 18:54                                         ` azurIt
2013-09-11 19:11                                           ` Johannes Weiner
2013-09-11 19:41                                             ` azurIt
2013-09-11 20:04                                               ` Johannes Weiner
2013-09-14 10:48                                                 ` azurIt
2013-09-16 13:40                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2013-09-16 14:01                                                     ` azurIt
2013-09-16 14:06                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2013-09-16 14:13                                                         ` azurIt
2013-09-16 14:57                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2013-09-16 15:05                                                             ` azurIt
2013-09-16 15:17                                                               ` Johannes Weiner
2013-09-16 15:24                                                                 ` azurIt
2013-09-16 15:25                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2013-09-16 15:40                                                                 ` azurIt
2013-09-16 20:52                                                                 ` azurIt
2013-09-17  0:02                                                                   ` Johannes Weiner
2013-09-17 11:15                                                                     ` azurIt
2013-09-17 14:10                                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2013-09-18 14:03                                                                         ` azurIt
2013-09-18 14:24                                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2013-09-18 14:33                                                                             ` azurIt
2013-09-18 14:42                                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2013-09-18 18:02                                                                                 ` azurIt
2013-09-18 18:36                                                                                   ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                                                                           ` <20130918160304.6EDF2729-Rm0zKEqwvD4@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-18 18:04                                                                             ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]                                                                               ` <20130918180455.GD856-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-18 18:19                                                                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2013-09-18 19:55                                                                                   ` Johannes Weiner
2013-09-18 20:52                                                                                     ` azurIt
2013-09-25  7:26                                                                                     ` azurIt
2013-09-26 16:54                                                                                     ` azurIt
2013-09-26 19:27                                                                                       ` Johannes Weiner
2013-09-27  2:04                                                                                         ` azurIt
2013-10-07 11:01                                                                                         ` azurIt
     [not found]                                                                                           ` <20131007130149.5F5482D8-Rm0zKEqwvD4@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-07 19:23                                                                                             ` Johannes Weiner
2013-10-09 18:44                                                                                               ` azurIt
2013-10-10  0:14                                                                                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2013-10-10 22:59                                                                                                   ` azurIt
2013-09-17 11:20                                                                     ` azurIt
2013-09-16 10:22                                                 ` azurIt
2013-09-04  9:45         ` azurIt
2013-09-04 11:57           ` Michal Hocko
2013-09-04 12:10             ` azurIt
2013-09-04 12:26               ` Michal Hocko
2013-09-04 12:39                 ` azurIt
2013-09-05  9:14                 ` azurIt
2013-09-05  9:53                   ` Michal Hocko
2013-09-05 10:17                     ` azurIt
2013-09-05 11:17                       ` Michal Hocko
2013-09-05 11:47                         ` azurIt
2013-09-05 12:03                           ` Michal Hocko
2013-09-05 12:33                             ` azurIt
2013-09-05 12:45                               ` Michal Hocko
2013-09-05 13:00                                 ` azurIt

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