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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	Jason Low <jason.low2@hp.com>, Davidlohr Bueso <davidlohr@hp.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Alex Shi <alex.shi@linaro.org>, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>,
	Davidlohr Bueso <davidlohr.bueso@hp.com>,
	Matthew R Wilcox <matthew.r.wilcox@intel.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Peter Hurley <peter@hurleysoftware.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] checkpatch: Make the memory barrier test noisier
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 08:17:50 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130927151749.GA2149@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130927145007.GD15690@laptop.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 04:50:07PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 07:34:55AM -0700, Joe Perches wrote:
> > That would make it seem as if all barriers are SMP no?
> 
> I would think any memory barrier is ordering against someone else; if
> not smp then a device/hardware -- like for instance the hardware page
> table walker.
> 
> Barriers are fundamentally about order; and order only makes sense if
> there's more than 1 party to the game.

Oddly enough, there is one exception that proves the rule...  On Itanium,
suppose we have the following code, with x initially equal to zero:

CPU 1: ACCESS_ONCE(x) = 1;

CPU 2: r1 = ACCESS_ONCE(x); r2 = ACCESS_ONCE(x);

Itanium architects have told me that it really is possible for CPU 2 to
see r1==1 and r2==0.  Placing a memory barrier between CPU 2's pair of
fetches prevents this, but without any other memory barrier to pair with.

> > Maybe just refer to Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
> > and/or say something like "please document appropriately"
> 
> Documentation/memory-barriers.txt is always good; appropriately doesn't
> seem to quantify anything much at all. Someone might think:
> 
> /*  */
> smp_mb();
> 
> appropriate... 

I end up doing this:

/* */
smp_mb(); /* See above block comment. */

But it would be nice for the prior comment to be recognized as belonging
to the memory barrier without the additional "See above" comment.

In any case, please feel free to add:

Acked-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

to the original checkpatch.pl patch.

							Thanx, Paul

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-27 15:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <cover.1380144003.git.tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
2013-09-25 22:10 ` [PATCH v6 0/6] rwsem: performance optimizations Tim Chen
2013-09-25 22:10 ` [PATCH v6 1/6] rwsem: check the lock before cpmxchg in down_write_trylock Tim Chen
2013-09-25 22:10 ` [PATCH v6 2/6] rwsem: remove 'out' label in do_wake Tim Chen
2013-09-25 22:10 ` [PATCH v6 3/6] rwsem: remove try_reader_grant label do_wake Tim Chen
2013-09-25 22:10 ` [PATCH v6 4/6] rwsem/wake: check lock before do atomic update Tim Chen
2013-09-25 22:10 ` [PATCH v6 5/6] MCS Lock: Restructure the MCS lock defines and locking code into its own file Tim Chen
2013-09-26  6:46   ` Ingo Molnar
2013-09-26  8:40     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-26  9:37       ` Ingo Molnar
2013-09-26 18:18       ` Tim Chen
2013-09-26 19:27   ` Jason Low
2013-09-26 20:06     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-09-26 20:23       ` Jason Low
2013-09-26 20:40         ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-09-26 21:09           ` Jason Low
2013-09-26 21:41             ` Tim Chen
2013-09-26 22:42               ` Jason Low
2013-09-26 22:57                 ` Tim Chen
2013-09-27  6:02                   ` Ingo Molnar
2013-09-27  6:26                     ` Jason Low
2013-09-27 11:23                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-27 13:44                       ` Joe Perches
2013-09-27 13:48                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-27 14:05                           ` Joe Perches
2013-09-27 14:18                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-27 14:14                           ` [PATCH] checkpatch: Make the memory barrier test noisier Joe Perches
2013-09-27 14:26                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-27 14:34                               ` Joe Perches
2013-09-27 14:50                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-27 15:17                                   ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2013-09-27 15:34                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-27 16:04                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-27 23:40                                   ` Oliver Neukum
2013-09-28  7:54                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-27 16:12                     ` [PATCH v6 5/6] MCS Lock: Restructure the MCS lock defines and locking code into its own file Jason Low
2013-09-27 16:19                       ` Tim Chen
2013-10-02 19:19                 ` Waiman Long
2013-10-02 19:30                   ` Jason Low
2013-10-02 19:37                     ` Waiman Long
2013-09-26 22:22             ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-09-27 15:29   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-27 18:09     ` Tim Chen
2013-09-28  2:58       ` Waiman Long
2013-09-27 19:38     ` Tim Chen
2013-09-27 20:16       ` Jason Low
2013-09-27 20:38       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-27 22:46         ` Tim Chen
2013-09-27 23:01           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-27 23:54             ` Jason Low
2013-09-28  0:02               ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-09-28  2:19               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-28  4:34                 ` Jason Low
2013-09-30 15:51                   ` Waiman Long
2013-09-30 16:10                     ` Jason Low
2013-09-30 16:36                       ` Waiman Long
2013-10-01 16:48                         ` Tim Chen
2013-10-01 20:01                           ` Waiman Long
2013-10-01 21:16                             ` Tim Chen
2013-10-02  1:25                               ` Waiman Long
2013-10-02 18:43                                 ` Tim Chen
2013-10-02 19:32                                   ` Waiman Long
2013-09-30 16:28                 ` Tim Chen
2013-09-25 22:10 ` [PATCH v6 6/6] rwsem: do optimistic spinning for writer lock acquisition Tim Chen
2013-09-26  6:53   ` Ingo Molnar

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