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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Davidlohr Bueso <davidlohr@hp.com>
Cc: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Guan Xuetao <gxt@mprc.pku.edu.cn>,
	aswin@hp.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: cache largest vma
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 10:46:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131103094629.GA5330@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1383340291.2653.33.camel@buesod1.americas.hpqcorp.net>


* Davidlohr Bueso <davidlohr@hp.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 16:38 -0400, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> > (11/1/13 4:17 PM), Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
> >
> > > While caching the last used vma already does a nice job avoiding 
> > > having to iterate the rbtree in find_vma, we can improve. After 
> > > studying the hit rate on a load of workloads and environments, it 
> > > was seen that it was around 45-50% - constant for a standard desktop 
> > > system (gnome3 + evolution + firefox + a few xterms), and multiple 
> > > java related workloads (including Hadoop/terasort), and aim7, which 
> > > indicates it's better than the 35% value documented in the code.
> > >
> > > By also caching the largest vma, that is, the one that contains most 
> > > addresses, there is a steady 10-15% hit rate gain, putting it above 
> > > the 60% region. This improvement comes at a very low overhead for a 
> > > miss. Furthermore, systems with !CONFIG_MMU keep the current logic.
> > 
> > I'm slightly surprised this cache makes 15% hit. Which application get 
> > a benefit? You listed a lot of applications, but I'm not sure which is 
> > highly depending on largest vma.
> 
> Well I chose the largest vma because it gives us a greater chance of 
> being already cached when we do the lookup for the faulted address.
> 
> The 15% improvement was with Hadoop. According to my notes it was at 
> ~48% with the baseline kernel and increased to ~63% with this patch.
> 
> In any case I didn't measure the rates on a per-task granularity, but at 
> a general system level. When a system is first booted I can see that the 
> mmap_cache access rate becomes the determinant factor and when adding a 
> workload it doesn't change much. One exception to this was a kernel 
> build, where we go from ~50% to ~89% hit rate on a vanilla kernel.

~90% during a kernel build is pretty impressive.

Still the ad-hoc nature of the caching worries me a bit - but I don't have 
any better ideas myself.

[I've Cc:-ed Linus, in case he has any better ideas.]

Thanks,

	Ingo

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-03  9:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-01 20:17 [PATCH] mm: cache largest vma Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-01 20:38 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-11-01 21:11   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-03  9:46     ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2013-11-03 23:57     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-11-04  4:22       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-01 21:23 ` Rik van Riel
2013-11-03 10:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-04  4:20   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-04  4:48     ` converting unicore32 to gate_vma as done for arm (was Re: [PATCH] mm: cache largest vma) Al Viro
2013-11-05  2:49       ` 管雪涛
2013-11-11  7:25         ` converting unicore32 to gate_vma as done for arm (was " Al Viro
2013-11-04  7:00     ` [PATCH] mm: cache largest vma Ingo Molnar
2013-11-04  7:05     ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-04 14:20       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-04 17:52         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-04 18:10           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-05  8:24             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-05 14:27               ` Jiri Olsa
2013-11-06  6:01                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-06 14:03                   ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2013-11-03 18:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-04  4:04   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-04  7:36     ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-04 14:56       ` Michel Lespinasse
2013-11-11  4:12       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-11  7:43         ` Michel Lespinasse
2013-11-11 12:04           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-11 20:47             ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-13 17:08               ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-13 17:59                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-13 18:16               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-11 12:01         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-11 18:24           ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-11 20:47             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-11 20:59               ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-11 21:09                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-04  7:03   ` Christoph Hellwig

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