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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch 1/2] mm, memcg: avoid oom notification when current needs access to memory reserves
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 10:41:15 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131118154115.GA3556@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1311141525440.30112@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 03:26:51PM -0800, David Rientjes wrote:
> When current has a pending SIGKILL or is already in the exit path, it
> only needs access to memory reserves to fully exit.  In that sense, the
> memcg is not actually oom for current, it simply needs to bypass memory
> charges to exit and free its memory, which is guarantee itself that
> memory will be freed.
> 
> We only want to notify userspace for actionable oom conditions where
> something needs to be done (and all oom handling can already be deferred
> to userspace through this method by disabling the memcg oom killer with
> memory.oom_control), not simply when a memcg has reached its limit, which
> would actually have to happen before memcg reclaim actually frees memory
> for charges.

Even though the situation may not require a kill, the user still wants
to know that the memory hard limit was breached and the isolation
broken in order to prevent a kill.  We just came really close and the
fact that current is exiting is coincidental.  Not everybody is having
OOM situations on a frequent basis and they might want to know when
they are redlining the system and that the same workload might blow up
the next time it's run.

The emergency reserves are there to prevent the system from
deadlocking.  We only dip into them to avert a more imminent disaster
but we are no longer in good shape at this point.  But by not even
announcing this situation to userspace anymore you are making this the
new baseline and declaring that everything is fine when the system is
already clutching at straws.

I maintain that we should signal OOM when our healthy and
always-available options are exhausted.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-11-20 16:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-31  1:39 [patch] mm, memcg: add memory.oom_control notification for system oom David Rientjes
2013-10-31  5:49 ` Johannes Weiner
2013-11-13 22:19   ` David Rientjes
2013-11-13 23:34     ` Johannes Weiner
2013-11-14  0:56       ` David Rientjes
2013-11-14  3:25         ` Johannes Weiner
2013-11-14 22:57           ` David Rientjes
2013-11-14 23:26             ` [patch 1/2] mm, memcg: avoid oom notification when current needs access to memory reserves David Rientjes
2013-11-14 23:26               ` [patch 2/2] mm, memcg: add memory.oom_control notification for system oom David Rientjes
2013-11-18 18:52                 ` Michal Hocko
2013-11-19  1:25                   ` David Rientjes
2013-11-19 12:41                     ` Michal Hocko
2013-11-18 12:52               ` [patch 1/2] mm, memcg: avoid oom notification when current needs access to memory reserves Michal Hocko
2013-11-18 12:55                 ` Michal Hocko
2013-11-19  1:19                   ` David Rientjes
2013-11-18 15:41               ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2013-11-18 16:51                 ` Michal Hocko
2013-11-19  1:22                   ` David Rientjes
2013-11-22 16:51                   ` Johannes Weiner
2013-11-27  0:53                     ` David Rientjes
2013-11-27 16:34                       ` Johannes Weiner
2013-11-27 21:51                         ` David Rientjes
2013-11-27 23:19                           ` Johannes Weiner
2013-11-28  0:22                             ` David Rientjes
2013-11-28  2:28                               ` Johannes Weiner
2013-11-28  2:52                                 ` David Rientjes
2013-11-28  3:16                                   ` Johannes Weiner
2013-12-02 20:02                         ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-02 21:25                           ` Johannes Weiner
2013-12-03 12:04                             ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-03 20:17                               ` Johannes Weiner
2013-12-03 21:00                                 ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-03 21:23                                   ` Johannes Weiner
2013-12-03 23:50                               ` David Rientjes
2013-12-04  3:34                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2013-12-04 11:13                                 ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-05  0:23                                   ` David Rientjes
2013-12-09 12:48                                     ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-09 21:46                                       ` David Rientjes
2013-12-09 22:51                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2013-12-09 23:05                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2014-01-10  0:34                                           ` David Rientjes
2013-12-10 10:38                                         ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-11  1:03                                           ` David Rientjes
2013-12-11  9:55                                             ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-11 22:40                                               ` David Rientjes
2013-12-12 10:31                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-12 10:50                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-12 12:11                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-12 12:37                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-13 23:55                                                   ` David Rientjes
2013-12-17 16:23                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-17 20:50                                                       ` David Rientjes
2013-12-18 20:04                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-19  6:09                                                           ` David Rientjes
2013-12-19 14:41                                                             ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-08  0:25                                                               ` Andrew Morton
2014-01-08 10:33                                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-09 14:30                                                                   ` [PATCH] memcg: Do not hang on OOM when killed by userspace OOM " Michal Hocko
2014-01-09 21:40                                                                     ` David Rientjes
2014-01-10  8:23                                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-10 21:33                                                                         ` David Rientjes
2014-01-15 14:26                                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-15 21:19                                                                             ` David Rientjes
2014-01-16 10:12                                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-21  6:13                                                                                 ` David Rientjes
2014-01-21 13:21                                                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-09 21:34                                                                 ` [patch 1/2] mm, memcg: avoid oom notification when current needs " David Rientjes
2014-01-09 22:47                                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2014-01-10  0:01                                                                     ` David Rientjes
2014-01-10  0:12                                                                       ` Andrew Morton
2014-01-10  0:23                                                                         ` David Rientjes
2014-01-10  0:35                                                                           ` David Rientjes
2014-01-10 22:14                                                                           ` Johannes Weiner
2014-01-12 22:10                                                                             ` David Rientjes
2014-01-15 14:34                                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-15 21:23                                                                                 ` David Rientjes
2014-01-16  9:32                                                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-21  5:58                                                                                     ` David Rientjes
2014-01-21  6:04                                                                                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartmann
2014-01-21  6:08                                                                                         ` David Rientjes
2014-01-10  8:30                                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-10 21:38                                                                         ` David Rientjes
2014-01-10 22:34                                                                           ` Johannes Weiner
2014-01-12 22:14                                                                             ` David Rientjes
2013-11-18 15:54             ` [patch] mm, memcg: add memory.oom_control notification for system oom Johannes Weiner
2013-11-18 23:15               ` One Thousand Gnomes

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