From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 4/5] MCS Lock: Barrier corrections
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 20:53:33 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131121045333.GO4138@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1384991514.11046.504.camel@schen9-DESK>
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 03:51:54PM -0800, Tim Chen wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-11-20 at 13:44 -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:36:07PM -0800, Tim Chen wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2013-11-20 at 11:06 -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:43:46AM -0800, Tim Chen wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, 2013-11-20 at 09:14 -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 03:46:43PM +0000, Will Deacon wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Paul,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 03:31:23PM +0000, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 05:37:43PM -0800, Tim Chen wrote:
> > > > > > > > > @@ -68,7 +72,12 @@ void mcs_spin_unlock(struct mcs_spinlock **lock, struct mcs_spinlock *node)
> > > > > > > > > while (!(next = ACCESS_ONCE(node->next)))
> > > > > > > > > arch_mutex_cpu_relax();
> > > > > > > > > }
> > > > > > > > > - ACCESS_ONCE(next->locked) = 1;
> > > > > > > > > - smp_wmb();
> > > > > > > > > + /*
> > > > > > > > > + * Pass lock to next waiter.
> > > > > > > > > + * smp_store_release() provides a memory barrier to ensure
> > > > > > > > > + * all operations in the critical section has been completed
> > > > > > > > > + * before unlocking.
> > > > > > > > > + */
> > > > > > > > > + smp_store_release(&next->locked, 1);
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > However, there is one problem with this that I missed yesterday.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Documentation/memory-barriers.txt requires that an unlock-lock pair
> > > > > > > > provide a full barrier, but this is not guaranteed if we use
> > > > > > > > smp_store_release() for unlock and smp_load_acquire() for lock.
> > > > > > > > At least one of these needs a full memory barrier.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hmm, so in the following case:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Access A
> > > > > > > unlock() /* release semantics */
> > > > > > > lock() /* acquire semantics */
> > > > > > > Access B
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A cannot pass beyond the unlock() and B cannot pass the before the lock().
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I agree that accesses between the unlock and the lock can be move across both
> > > > > > > A and B, but that doesn't seem to matter by my reading of the above.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What is the problematic scenario you have in mind? Are you thinking of the
> > > > > > > lock() moving before the unlock()? That's only permitted by RCpc afaiu,
> > > > > > > which I don't think any architectures supported by Linux implement...
> > > > > > > (ARMv8 acquire/release is RCsc).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If smp_load_acquire() and smp_store_release() are both implemented using
> > > > > > lwsync on powerpc, and if Access A is a store and Access B is a load,
> > > > > > then Access A and Access B can be reordered.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course, if every other architecture will be providing RCsc implementations
> > > > > > for smp_load_acquire() and smp_store_release(), which would not be a bad
> > > > > > thing, then another approach is for powerpc to use sync rather than lwsync
> > > > > > for one or the other of smp_load_acquire() or smp_store_release().
> > > > >
> > > > > Can we count on the xchg function in the beginning of mcs_lock to
> > > > > provide a memory barrier? It should provide an implicit memory
> > > > > barrier according to the memory-barriers document.
> > > >
> > > > The problem with the implicit full barrier associated with the xchg()
> > > > function is that it is in the wrong place if the lock is contended.
> > > > We need to ensure that the previous lock holder's critical section
> > > > is seen by everyone to precede that of the next lock holder, and
> > > > we need transitivity. The only operations that are in the right place
> > > > to force the needed ordering in the contended case are those involved
> > > > in the lock handoff. :-(
> > > >
> > >
> > > Paul,
> > >
> > > I'm still scratching my head on how ACCESS A
> > > and ACCESS B could get reordered.
> > >
> > > The smp_store_release instruction in unlock should guarantee that
> > > all memory operations in the previous lock holder's critical section has
> > > been completed and seen by everyone, before the store operation
> > > to set the lock for the next holder is seen. And the
> > > smp_load_acquire should guarantee that all memory operations
> > > for next lock holder happen after checking that it has got lock.
> > > So it seems like the two critical sections should not overlap.
> > >
> > > Does using lwsync means that these smp_load_acquire
> > > and smp_store_release guarantees are no longer true?
> >
>
> Thanks for the detailed explanation.
>
> > Suppose that CPU 0 stores to a variable, then releases a lock,
> > CPU 1 acquires that same lock and reads a second variable,
> > and that CPU 2 writes the second variable, does smp_mb(), and
> > then reads the first variable. Like this, where we replace the
> > spinloop by a check in the assertion:
> >
> > CPU 0 CPU 1 CPU 2
> > ----- ----- -----
> > x = 1; r1 = SLA(lock); y = 1;
> > SSR(lock, 1); r2 = y; smp_mb();
> > r3 = x;
> >
> > The SSR() is an abbreviation for smp_store_release() and the SLA()
> > is an abbreviation for smp_load_acquire().
> >
> > Now, if an unlock and following lock act as a full memory barrier, and
> > given lock, x, and y all initially zero, it should not be possible to
> > see the following situation:
> >
> > r1 == 1 && r2 == 0 && r3 == 0
> >
> > The "r1 == 1" means that the lock was released, the "r2 == 1" means that
>
> You mean "r2 == 0"?
I do, good catch!
> > CPU 1's load from y happened before CPU 2's assignment to y, and the
> > "r3 == 0" means that CPU 2's load from x happened before CPU 0's store
> > to x. If the unlock/lock combination was acting like a full barrier,
> > this would be impossible. But if you implement both SSR() and SLA() with
> > lwsync on powerpc, this condition can in fact happen. See scenario W+RWC
> > on page 2 of: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~pes20/ppc-supplemental/test6.pdf.
> >
> > This may seem strange, but when you say "lwsync" you are saying "don't
> > bother flushing the store buffer", which in turn allows this outcome.
>
> Yes, this outcome is certainly not expected. I find the behavior
> somewhat at odds with the memory barrier documentation:
>
> "The use of ACQUIRE and RELEASE operations generally precludes the need
> for other sorts of memory barrier (but note the exceptions mentioned in
> the subsection "MMIO write barrier")."
Well, ACQUIRE and RELEASE can do a great number of things, just not
everything.
> > So if we require that smp_load_acquire() and smp_store_release() have
> > RCsc semantics, which we might well want to do, then your use becomes
> > legal and powerpc needs smp_store_release() to have a sync instruction
> > rather than the lighter-weight lwsync instruction. Otherwise, you need
> > an smp_mb() in the lock-release handoff path.
> >
> > Thoughts?
>
> If we intend to use smp_load_acquire and smp_store_release extensively
> for locks, making RCsc semantics the default will simply things a lot.
The other option is to weaken lock semantics so that unlock-lock no
longer implies a full barrier, but I believe that we would regret taking
that path. (It would be OK by me, I would just add a few smp_mb()
calls on various slowpaths in RCU. But...)
Thanx, Paul
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2013-11-20 1:37 ` [PATCH v6 0/5] MCS Lock: MCS lock code cleanup and optimizations Tim Chen
2013-11-20 10:19 ` Will Deacon
2013-11-20 12:50 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-20 17:00 ` Will Deacon
2013-11-20 17:14 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-20 17:00 ` Tim Chen
2013-11-20 17:16 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-20 1:37 ` [PATCH v6 1/5] MCS Lock: Restructure the MCS lock defines and locking code into its own file Tim Chen
2013-11-20 1:37 ` [PATCH v6 2/5] MCS Lock: optimizations and extra comments Tim Chen
2013-11-20 1:37 ` [PATCH v6 3/5] MCS Lock: Move mcs_lock/unlock function into its own file Tim Chen
2013-11-20 1:37 ` [PATCH v6 4/5] MCS Lock: Barrier corrections Tim Chen
2013-11-20 15:31 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-20 15:46 ` Will Deacon
2013-11-20 17:14 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-20 18:43 ` Tim Chen
2013-11-20 19:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-20 20:36 ` Tim Chen
2013-11-20 21:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-20 23:51 ` Tim Chen
2013-11-21 4:53 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2013-11-21 10:17 ` Will Deacon
2013-11-21 13:16 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-21 10:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-21 13:18 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-21 22:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-21 22:52 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-22 0:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-22 4:08 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-22 4:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-22 6:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-22 15:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-22 18:49 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-22 19:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-22 20:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-22 20:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-22 20:37 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-22 21:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-22 21:52 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-22 22:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-23 0:25 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-23 0:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-23 1:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-23 2:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-23 4:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-23 11:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-23 17:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-26 12:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-26 19:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-23 20:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-23 20:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-25 12:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-25 17:18 ` Will Deacon
2013-11-25 17:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-25 17:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-23 21:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-23 22:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-25 17:53 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-25 18:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-21 11:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-21 12:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-21 13:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-21 17:25 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-21 21:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-21 22:18 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-22 15:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-22 18:26 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-22 18:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-22 18:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-25 17:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-25 18:02 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-25 18:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-25 18:34 ` Tim Chen
2013-11-25 18:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-25 23:52 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-26 9:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-26 17:11 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-26 17:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-26 19:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-26 19:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-26 19:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-26 22:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-26 23:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-27 0:21 ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-11-27 0:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-27 1:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-27 1:31 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-27 10:16 ` Will Deacon
2013-11-27 17:11 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-28 11:40 ` Will Deacon
2013-11-28 17:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-28 18:03 ` Will Deacon
2013-11-28 18:27 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-28 18:53 ` Will Deacon
2013-11-28 19:50 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-29 16:17 ` Will Deacon
2013-11-29 16:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-29 18:18 ` Will Deacon
2013-11-30 17:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-26 19:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-27 16:58 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-11-26 23:08 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-11-25 23:55 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-26 3:16 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-27 0:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-27 1:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-27 1:27 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-27 2:59 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-25 18:52 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-25 22:58 ` Tim Chen
2013-11-25 23:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-25 23:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-25 23:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-04 21:26 ` Andi Kleen
2013-12-04 22:07 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-21 13:19 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-20 1:37 ` [PATCH v6 5/5] MCS Lock: Allows for architecture specific mcs lock and unlock Tim Chen
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