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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Luigi Semenzato <semenzato@google.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Glauber Costa <glommer@gmail.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Joern Engel <joern@logfs.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: user defined OOM policies
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 12:42:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131128114214.GJ2761@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1311251717370.27270@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

On Mon 25-11-13 17:29:20, David Rientjes wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013, Luigi Semenzato wrote:
> 
> > Yes, I agree that we can't always prevent OOM situations, and in fact
> > we tolerate OOM kills, although they have a worse impact on the users
> > than controlled freeing does.
> > 
> 
> If the controlled freeing is able to actually free memory in time before 
> hitting an oom condition, it should work pretty well.  That ability is 
> seems to be highly dependent on sane thresholds for indvidual applications 
> and I'm afraid we can never positively ensure that we wakeup and are able 
> to free memory in time to avoid the oom condition.
> 
> > Well OK here it goes.  I hate to be a party-pooper, but the notion of
> > a user-level OOM-handler scares me a bit for various reasons.
> > 
> > 1. Our custom notifier sends low-memory warnings well ahead of memory
> > depletion.  If we don't have enough time to free memory then, what can
> > the last-minute OOM handler do?
> > 
> 
> The userspace oom handler doesn't necessarily guarantee that you can do 
> memory freeing, our usecase wants to do a priority-based oom killing that 
> is different from the kernel oom killer based on rss.  To do that, you 
> only really need to read certain proc files and you can do killing based 
> on uptime, for example.  You can also do a hierarchical traversal of 
> memcgs based on a priority.
> 
> We already have hooks in the kernel oom killer, things like 
> /proc/sys/vm/oom_kill_allocating_task

How would you implement oom_kill_allocating_task in userspace? You do
not have any context on who is currently allocating or would you rely on
reading /proc/*/stack to grep for allocation functions?

> and /proc/sys/vm/panic_on_oom that 
[...]
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Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-28 11:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-19 13:14 user defined OOM policies Michal Hocko
2013-11-19 13:40 ` Michal Hocko
2013-11-20  8:02   ` David Rientjes
2013-11-20 15:22     ` Michal Hocko
2013-11-20 17:14       ` Luigi Semenzato
2013-11-21  3:36         ` David Rientjes
2013-11-21  7:03           ` Luigi Semenzato
2013-11-22 18:08             ` Johannes Weiner
2013-11-28 11:36               ` Michal Hocko
2013-11-26  1:29             ` David Rientjes
2013-11-28 11:42               ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2013-12-02 23:09                 ` David Rientjes
2013-11-21  3:33       ` David Rientjes
2013-11-28 11:54         ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-02 23:07           ` David Rientjes
2013-12-04  5:19             ` [patch 1/8] fork: collapse copy_flags into copy_process David Rientjes
2013-12-04  5:19               ` [patch 2/8] mm, mempolicy: rename slab_node for clarity David Rientjes
2013-12-04 15:21                 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-12-04  5:20               ` [patch 3/8] mm, mempolicy: remove per-process flag David Rientjes
2013-12-04 15:24                 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-12-05  0:53                   ` David Rientjes
2013-12-05 19:05                     ` Christoph Lameter
2013-12-05 23:53                       ` David Rientjes
2013-12-06 14:46                         ` Christoph Lameter
2013-12-04  5:20               ` [patch 4/8] mm, memcg: add tunable for oom reserves David Rientjes
2013-12-04  5:20               ` [patch 5/8] res_counter: remove interface for locked charging and uncharging David Rientjes
2013-12-04  5:20               ` [patch 6/8] res_counter: add interface for maximum nofail charge David Rientjes
2013-12-04  5:20               ` [patch 7/8] mm, memcg: allow processes handling oom notifications to access reserves David Rientjes
2013-12-04  5:45                 ` Johannes Weiner
2013-12-05  1:49                   ` David Rientjes
2013-12-05  2:50                     ` Tejun Heo
2013-12-05 23:49                       ` David Rientjes
2013-12-06 17:34                         ` Johannes Weiner
2013-12-07 16:38                           ` Tim Hockin
2013-12-07 17:40                             ` Johannes Weiner
2013-12-07 18:12                               ` Tim Hockin
2013-12-07 19:06                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2013-12-07 21:04                                   ` Tim Hockin
2013-12-06 19:01                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-12-09 20:10                           ` David Rientjes
2013-12-09 22:37                             ` Johannes Weiner
2013-12-10 21:50                             ` Tejun Heo
2013-12-10 23:55                               ` David Rientjes
2013-12-11  9:49                                 ` Mel Gorman
2013-12-11 12:42                                 ` Tejun Heo
2013-12-12  5:37                                   ` Tim Hockin
2013-12-12 14:21                                     ` Tejun Heo
2013-12-12 16:32                                       ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-12 16:37                                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-12-12 18:42                                       ` Tim Hockin
2013-12-12 19:23                                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-12-13  0:23                                           ` Tim Hockin
2013-12-13 11:47                                             ` Tejun Heo
2013-12-04  5:20               ` [patch 8/8] mm, memcg: add memcg oom reserve documentation David Rientjes
2013-11-20 17:25     ` user defined OOM policies Vladimir Murzin
2013-11-20 17:21   ` Vladimir Murzin
2013-11-20 17:33     ` Michal Hocko
2013-11-21  3:38       ` David Rientjes
2013-11-21 17:13         ` Michal Hocko
2013-11-26  1:36           ` David Rientjes
2013-11-22  7:28       ` Vladimir Murzin
2013-11-22 13:18         ` Michal Hocko
2013-11-20  7:50 ` David Rientjes
2013-11-22  0:19 ` Jörn Engel
2013-11-26  1:31   ` David Rientjes

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