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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	"Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Davidlohr Bueso <davidlohr.bueso@hp.com>,
	David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Wanpeng Li <liwanp@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Naoya Horiguchi <n-horiguchi@ah.jp.nec.com>,
	Hillf Danton <dhillf@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 13/14] mm, hugetlb: retry if failed to allocate and there is concurrent user
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 18:15:20 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131219181520.8a3bfb26.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131220015810.GA1084@lge.com>

On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 10:58:10 +0900 Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 05:02:02PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 15:53:59 +0900 Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > If parallel fault occur, we can fail to allocate a hugepage,
> > > because many threads dequeue a hugepage to handle a fault of same address.
> > > This makes reserved pool shortage just for a little while and this cause
> > > faulting thread who can get hugepages to get a SIGBUS signal.
> > > 
> > 
> > So if I'm understanding this correctly...  if N threads all generate a
> > fault against the same address, they will all dive in and allocate a
> > hugepage, will then do an enormous memcpy into that page and will then
> > attempt to instantiate the page in pagetables.  All threads except one
> > will lose the race and will free the page again!  This sounds terribly
> > inefficient; it would be useful to write a microbenchmark which
> > triggers this scenario so we can explore the impact.
> 
> Yes, you understand correctly, I think.
> 
> I have an idea to prevent this overhead. It is that marking page when it
> is zeroed and unmarking when it is mapped to page table. If page mapping
> is failed due to current thread, the zeroed page will keep the marker and
> later we can determine if it is zeroed or not.

Well OK, but the other threads will need to test that in-progress flag
and then do <something>.  Where <something> will involve some form of
open-coded sleep/wakeup thing.  To avoid all that wheel-reinventing we
can avoid using an internal flag and use an external flag instead. 
There's one in struct mutex!

I doubt if the additional complexity of the external flag is worth it,
but convincing performance testing results would sway me ;) Please have
a think about it all.

> If you want to include this functionality in this series, I can do it ;)
> Please let me know your decision.
> 
> > I'm wondering if a better solution to all of this would be to make
> > hugetlb_instantiation_mutex an array of, say, 1024 mutexes and index it
> > with a hash of the faulting address.  That will 99.9% solve the
> > performance issue which you believe exists without introducing this new
> > performance issue?
> 
> Yes, that approach would solve the performance issue.
> IIRC, you already suggested this idea roughly 6 months ago and it is
> implemented by Davidlohr. I remembered that there is a race issue on
> COW case with this approach. See following link for more information.
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/8/7/142

That seems to be unrelated to hugetlb_instantiation_mutex?

> And we need 1-3 patches to prevent other theorectical race issue
> regardless any approaches.

Yes, I'll be going through patches 1-12 very soon, thanks.


And to reiterate: I'm very uncomfortable mucking around with
performance patches when we have run no tests to measure their
magnitude, or even whether they are beneficial at all!

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-12-20  2:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-12-18  6:53 [PATCH v3 00/14] mm, hugetlb: remove a hugetlb_instantiation_mutex Joonsoo Kim
2013-12-18  6:53 ` [PATCH v3 01/14] mm, hugetlb: unify region structure handling Joonsoo Kim
2013-12-21  9:04   ` David Gibson
2014-01-07  2:37   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-12-18  6:53 ` [PATCH v3 02/14] mm, hugetlb: region manipulation functions take resv_map rather list_head Joonsoo Kim
2013-12-21 13:43   ` David Gibson
2014-01-07  2:39   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-12-18  6:53 ` [PATCH v3 03/14] mm, hugetlb: protect region tracking via newly introduced resv_map lock Joonsoo Kim
2013-12-21 13:58   ` David Gibson
2013-12-23  1:05     ` Joonsoo Kim
2013-12-24 12:00       ` David Gibson
2014-01-06  0:12         ` Joonsoo Kim
2014-01-07  2:39   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-12-18  6:53 ` [PATCH v3 04/14] mm, hugetlb: remove resv_map_put() Joonsoo Kim
2013-12-18  6:53 ` [PATCH v3 05/14] mm, hugetlb: make vma_resv_map() works for all mapping type Joonsoo Kim
2013-12-18  6:53 ` [PATCH v3 06/14] mm, hugetlb: remove vma_has_reserves() Joonsoo Kim
2013-12-18  6:53 ` [PATCH v3 07/14] mm, hugetlb: mm, hugetlb: unify chg and avoid_reserve to use_reserve Joonsoo Kim
2013-12-18  6:53 ` [PATCH v3 08/14] mm, hugetlb: call vma_needs_reservation before entering alloc_huge_page() Joonsoo Kim
2013-12-18  6:53 ` [PATCH v3 09/14] mm, hugetlb: remove a check for return value of alloc_huge_page() Joonsoo Kim
2013-12-18  6:53 ` [PATCH v3 10/14] mm, hugetlb: move down outside_reserve check Joonsoo Kim
2013-12-18  6:53 ` [PATCH v3 11/14] mm, hugetlb: move up anon_vma_prepare() Joonsoo Kim
2013-12-18  6:53 ` [PATCH v3 12/14] mm, hugetlb: clean-up error handling in hugetlb_cow() Joonsoo Kim
2013-12-18  6:53 ` [PATCH v3 13/14] mm, hugetlb: retry if failed to allocate and there is concurrent user Joonsoo Kim
2013-12-20  1:02   ` Andrew Morton
2013-12-20  1:58     ` Joonsoo Kim
2013-12-20  2:15       ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2013-12-20  5:00         ` Joonsoo Kim
2013-12-20  2:31     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-12-20  4:47       ` Joonsoo Kim
2013-12-20 14:01     ` Mel Gorman
2013-12-21  6:48       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-12-23  0:44         ` Joonsoo Kim
2013-12-23  2:11           ` Joonsoo Kim
2014-01-03 19:55             ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-01-06  0:19               ` Joonsoo Kim
2014-01-06 12:19                 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-01-07  1:57                   ` Joonsoo Kim
2014-01-07  2:36                     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-01-15  3:08                       ` David Rientjes
2014-01-15  4:37                         ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-01-15  4:56                           ` Andrew Morton
2014-01-15 20:47                             ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-01-15 20:50                               ` Andrew Morton
2013-12-18  6:54 ` [PATCH v3 14/14] mm, hugetlb: remove a hugetlb_instantiation_mutex Joonsoo Kim
2014-03-31 16:27 ` [PATCH v3 00/14] " Dave Hansen
2014-03-31 17:26   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-03-31 18:41     ` Dave Hansen

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