From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
cl@linux-foundation.org, penberg@kernel.org, mpm@selenic.com
Subject: Re: Memory allocator semantics
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 21:14:17 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140103051417.GT19211@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140103033906.GB2983@leaf>
On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 07:39:07PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 12:33:20PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > Hello!
> >
> > From what I can see, the Linux-kernel's SLAB, SLOB, and SLUB memory
> > allocators would deal with the following sort of race:
> >
> > A. CPU 0: r1 = kmalloc(...); ACCESS_ONCE(gp) = r1;
> >
> > CPU 1: r2 = ACCESS_ONCE(gp); if (r2) kfree(r2);
> >
> > However, my guess is that this should be considered an accident of the
> > current implementation rather than a feature. The reason for this is
> > that I cannot see how you would usefully do (A) above without also allowing
> > (B) and (C) below, both of which look to me to be quite destructive:
>
> (A) only seems OK if "gp" is guaranteed to be NULL beforehand, *and* if
> no other CPUs can possibly do what CPU 1 is doing in parallel. Even
> then, it seems questionable how this could ever be used successfully in
> practice.
>
> This seems similar to the TCP simultaneous-SYN case: theoretically
> possible, absurd in practice.
Heh!
Agreed on the absurdity, but my quick look and slab/slob/slub leads
me to believe that current Linux kernel would actually do something
sensible in this case. But only because they don't touch the actual
memory. DYNIX/ptx would have choked on it, IIRC.
And the fact that slab/slob/slub seem to handle (A) seemed bizarre
enough to be worth asking the question.
> > B. CPU 0: r1 = kmalloc(...); ACCESS_ONCE(shared_x) = r1;
> >
> > CPU 1: r2 = ACCESS_ONCE(shared_x); if (r2) kfree(r2);
> >
> > CPU 2: r3 = ACCESS_ONCE(shared_x); if (r3) kfree(r3);
> >
> > This results in the memory being on two different freelists.
>
> That's a straightforward double-free bug. You need some kind of
> synchronization there to ensure that only one call to kfree occurs.
Yep!
> > C. CPU 0: r1 = kmalloc(...); ACCESS_ONCE(shared_x) = r1;
> >
> > CPU 1: r2 = ACCESS_ONCE(shared_x); r2->a = 1; r2->b = 2;
> >
> > CPU 2: r3 = ACCESS_ONCE(shared_x); if (r3) kfree(r3);
> >
> > CPU 3: r4 = kmalloc(...); r4->s = 3; r4->t = 4;
> >
> > This results in the memory being used by two different CPUs,
> > each of which believe that they have sole access.
>
> This is not OK either: CPU 2 has called kfree on a pointer that CPU 1
> still considers alive, and again, the CPUs haven't used any form of
> synchronization to prevent that.
Agreed.
> > But I thought I should ask the experts.
> >
> > So, am I correct that kernel hackers are required to avoid "drive-by"
> > kfree()s of kmalloc()ed memory?
>
> Don't kfree things that are in use, and synchronize to make sure all
> CPUs agree about "in use", yes.
For example, ensure that each kmalloc() happens unambiguously before the
corresponding kfree(). ;-)
> > PS. To the question "Why would anyone care about (A)?", then answer
> > is "Inquiring programming-language memory-model designers want
> > to know."
>
> I find myself wondering about the original form of the question, since
> I'd hope that programming-languge memory-model designers would
> understand the need for synchronization around reclaiming memory.
I think that they do now. The original form of the question was as
follows:
But my intuition at the moment is that allowing racing
accesses and providing pointer atomicity leads to a much more
complicated and harder to explain model. You have to deal
with initialization issues and OOTA problems without atomics.
And the implementation has to deal with cross-thread visibility
of malloc meta-information, which I suspect will be expensive.
You now essentially have to be able to malloc() in one thread,
transfer the pointer via a race to another thread, and free()
in the second thread. Thata??s hard unless malloc() and free()
always lock (as I presume they do in the Linux kernel).
But the first I heard of it was something like litmus test (A) above.
(And yes, I already disabused them of their notion that Linux kernel
kmalloc() and kfree() always lock.)
Thanx, Paul
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-01-03 5:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-01-02 20:33 Memory allocator semantics Paul E. McKenney
2014-01-03 3:39 ` Josh Triplett
2014-01-03 5:14 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2014-01-03 5:47 ` Josh Triplett
2014-01-03 7:57 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-01-03 8:42 ` Josh Triplett
2014-02-08 10:27 ` Pekka Enberg
2014-02-09 2:00 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-11 8:50 ` Pekka Enberg
2014-02-11 12:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-11 18:43 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-02-14 17:30 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-10 19:07 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-02-11 12:14 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-11 13:20 ` Pekka Enberg
2014-02-11 15:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
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