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From: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>, Jason Evans <je@fb.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/6] mm: support madvise(MADV_FREE)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 09:18:26 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140319001826.GA13475@bbox> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5328888C.7030402@mit.edu>

Hello,

On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 10:55:24AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On 03/13/2014 11:37 PM, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > This patch is an attempt to support MADV_FREE for Linux.
> > 
> > Rationale is following as.
> > 
> > Allocators call munmap(2) when user call free(3) if ptr is
> > in mmaped area. But munmap isn't cheap because it have to clean up
> > all pte entries, unlinking a vma and returns free pages to buddy
> > so overhead would be increased linearly by mmaped area's size.
> > So they like madvise_dontneed rather than munmap.
> > 
> > "dontneed" holds read-side lock of mmap_sem so other threads
> > of the process could go with concurrent page faults so it is
> > better than munmap if it's not lack of address space.
> > But the problem is that most of allocator reuses that address
> > space soonish so applications see page fault, page allocation,
> > page zeroing if allocator already called madvise_dontneed
> > on the address space.
> > 
> > For avoidng that overheads, other OS have supported MADV_FREE.
> > The idea is just mark pages as lazyfree when madvise called
> > and purge them if memory pressure happens. Otherwise, VM doesn't
> > detach pages on the address space so application could use
> > that memory space without above overheads.
> 
> I must be missing something.
> 
> If the application issues MADV_FREE and then writes to the MADV_FREEd
> range, the kernel needs to know that the pages are no longer safe to
> lazily free.  This would presumably happen via a page fault on write.
> For that to happen reliably, the kernel has to write protect the pages
> when MADV_FREE is called, which in turn requires flushing the TLBs.

It could be done by pte_dirty bit check. Of course, if some architectures
don't support it by H/W, pte_mkdirty would make it CoW as you said.
> 
> How does this end up being faster than munmap?

MADV_FREE doesn't need to return back the pages into page allocator
compared to MADV_DONTNEED and the overhead is not small when I measured
that on my machine.(Roughly, MADV_FREE's cost is half of DONTNEED through
avoiding involving page allocator.)

But I'd like to clarify that it's not MADV_FREE's goal that syscall
itself should be faster than MADV_DONTNEED but major goal is to
avoid unnecessary page fault + page allocation + page zeroing +
garbage swapout.

> 
> --Andy
> 
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Minchan Kim

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-03-19  0:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-03-14  6:37 [RFC 0/6] mm: support madvise(MADV_FREE) Minchan Kim
2014-03-14  6:37 ` [RFC 1/6] mm: clean up PAGE_MAPPING_FLAGS Minchan Kim
2014-03-14  6:37 ` [RFC 2/6] mm: work deactivate_page with anon pages Minchan Kim
2014-03-14  6:37 ` [RFC 3/6] mm: support madvise(MADV_FREE) Minchan Kim
2014-03-14  7:49   ` Minchan Kim
2014-03-14 13:33   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-03-14 15:24     ` Minchan Kim
2014-03-18 18:26   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-03-19  1:22     ` Minchan Kim
2014-03-14  6:37 ` [RFC 4/6] mm: add stat about lazyfree pages Minchan Kim
2014-03-14  6:37 ` [RFC 5/6] mm: reclaim lazyfree pages in swapless system Minchan Kim
2014-03-14  6:37 ` [RFC 6/6] mm: ksm: don't merge lazyfree page Minchan Kim
2014-03-14  7:37 ` [RFC 0/6] mm: support madvise(MADV_FREE) Zhang Yanfei
2014-03-14  7:56   ` Minchan Kim
2014-03-18 17:55 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-03-19  0:18   ` Minchan Kim [this message]
2014-03-19  0:23     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-03-19  1:02       ` Minchan Kim
2014-03-19  5:15       ` Johannes Weiner

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