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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Davidlohr Bueso <davidlohr@hp.com>,
	"Srivatsa S. Bhat" <srivatsa.bhat@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [BUG] kernel BUG at mm/vmacache.c:85!
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 16:11:20 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140428161120.4cad719dc321e3c837db3fd6@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFz0jrk-O9gq9VQrFBeWTpLt_5zPt9RsJO9htrqh+nKTfA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:58:02 -0700 Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Davidlohr Bueso <davidlohr@hp.com> wrote:
> >
> > Is this perhaps a KVM guest? fwiw I see CONFIG_KVM_ASYNC_PF=y which is a
> > user of use_mm().
> 
> So I tried to look through these guys, and that was one of the ones I looked at.
> 
> It's using use_mm(), but it's only called through schedule_work().
> Which *should* mean that it's in a kernel thread and
> vmacache_valid_mm() will not be true.
> 
> HOWEVER.
> 
> The whole "we don't use the vma cache on kernel threads" does seem to
> be a pretty fragile approach to the whole workqueue etc issue. I think
> we always use a kernel thread for workqueue entries, but at the same
> time I'm not 100% convinced that we should *rely* on that kind of
> behavior. I don't think that it's necessarily fundamentally guaranteed
> conceptually - I could see, for example, some user of "flush_work()"
> deciding to run the work *synchronously* within the context of the
> process that does the flushing.

Very good point.

> Now, I don't think we actually do that, but my point is that I think
> it's a bit dangerous to just say "only kernel threads do use_mm(), and
> work entries are always done by kernel threads, so let's disable vma
> caching for kernel threads". It may be *true*, but it's a very
> indirect kind of true.
> 
> That's why I think we might be better off saying "let's just
> invalidate the vmacache in use_mm(), and not care about who does it".
> No subtle indirect logic about why the caching is safe in one context
> but not another.
> 
> But quite frankly, I grepped for things that set "tsk->mm", and apart
> from clearing it on exit, the only uses I found was copy_mm() (which
> does that vmacache_flush()) and use_mm(). And all the use_mm() cases
> _seem_ to be in kernel threads, and that first BUG_ON() didn't have a
> very complex call chain at all, just a regular page fault from udevd.

unuse_mm() leaves current->mm at NULL so we'd hear about it pretty
quickly if a user task was running use_mm/unuse_mm.  Perhaps it's
possible to do

	use_mm(new_mm);
	...
	use_mm(old_mm);

but nothing does that.

> So it might just be some really nasty corruption totally unrelated to
> the vmacache, and those preceding odd udevd-work and kdump faults
> could be related.

I think so.  Maybe it's time to cook up a debug patch for Srivatsa to
use?  Dump the vma cache when the bug hits, or wire up some trace
points.  Or perhaps plain old printks - it seems to be happening pretty
early in boot.

Are there additional sanity checks we can perform at cache addition
time?

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-04-28 23:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-28 19:18 [BUG] kernel BUG at mm/vmacache.c:85! Srivatsa S. Bhat
2014-04-28 19:20 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2014-04-28 21:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-28 21:55   ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-28 22:05     ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-28 22:14       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-04-28 22:25         ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-29  9:59           ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2014-04-30 19:16             ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2014-04-30 19:18               ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2014-04-30 19:20                 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2014-04-30 20:26               ` Linus Torvalds
2014-05-01  3:56               ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-28 22:39     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-04-28 22:58       ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-28 23:11         ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2014-04-28 23:57           ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-29  0:11             ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-04-29 10:02               ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2014-04-29 12:52                 ` [PATCH] vmacache: change vmacache_find() to always check ->vm_mm Oleg Nesterov
2014-04-29 13:09                   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2014-04-29 14:02                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-04-29 12:40               ` [BUG] kernel BUG at mm/vmacache.c:85! Oleg Nesterov
2014-04-29  8:02       ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2014-04-29  7:59     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2014-04-29  0:00 ` Dave Jones
2014-04-29  8:21   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat

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