From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
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Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 19/19] mm: filemap: Avoid unnecessary barries and waitqueue lookups in unlock_page fastpath
Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 20:18:52 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140513181852.GB12123@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140513152719.GF18164@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
On 05/13, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
>
> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 04:17:48PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> >
> > diff --git a/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt b/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
> > index 46412bded104..dae5158c2382 100644
> > --- a/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
> > +++ b/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
> > @@ -1881,9 +1881,9 @@ The whole sequence above is available in various canned forms, all of which
> > event_indicated = 1;
> > wake_up_process(event_daemon);
> >
> > -A write memory barrier is implied by wake_up() and co. if and only if they wake
> > -something up. The barrier occurs before the task state is cleared, and so sits
> > -between the STORE to indicate the event and the STORE to set TASK_RUNNING:
> > +A full memory barrier is implied by wake_up() and co. The barrier occurs
>
> Last I checked, the memory barrier was guaranteed
I have to admit, I am confused. I simply do not understand what "memory
barrier" actually means in this discussion.
To me, wake_up/ttwu should only guarantee one thing: all the preceding
STORE's should be serialized with all the subsequent manipulations with
task->state (even with LOAD(task->state)).
> If there is a sleep-wakeup race, for example,
> between wait_event_interruptible() and wake_up(), then it looks to me
> that the following can happen:
>
> o Task A invokes wait_event_interruptible(), waiting for
> X==1.
>
> o Before Task A gets anywhere, Task B sets Y=1, does
> smp_mb(), then sets X=1.
>
> o Task B invokes wake_up(), which invokes __wake_up(), which
> acquires the wait_queue_head_t's lock and invokes
> __wake_up_common(), which sees nothing to wake up.
>
> o Task A tests the condition, finds X==1, and returns without
> locks, memory barriers, atomic instructions, or anything else
> that would guarantee ordering.
>
> o Task A then loads from Y. Because there have been no memory
> barriers, it might well see Y==0.
Sure, but I can't understand "Because there have been no memory barriers".
IOW. Suppose we add mb() into wake_up(). The same can happen anyway?
And "if a wakeup actually occurred" is not clear to me too in this context.
For example, suppose that ttwu() clears task->state but that task was not
deactivated and it is going to check the condition, do we count this as
"wakeup actually occurred" ? In this case that task still can see Y==0.
> On the other hand, if a wake_up() really does happen, then
> the fast-path out of wait_event_interruptible() is not taken,
> and __wait_event_interruptible() is called instead. This calls
> ___wait_event(), which eventually calls prepare_to_wait_event(), which
> in turn calls set_current_state(), which calls set_mb(), which does a
> full memory barrier.
Can't understand this part too... OK, and suppose that right after that
the task B from the scenario above does
Y = 1;
mb();
X = 1;
wake_up();
After that task A checks the condition, sees X==1, and returns from
wait_event() without spin_lock(wait_queue_head_t->lock) (if it also
sees list_empty_careful() == T). Then it can see Y==0 again?
> A read and a write memory barrier (-not- a full memory barrier)
> are implied by wake_up() and co. if and only if they wake
> something up.
Now this looks as if you document that, say,
X = 1;
wake_up();
Y = 1;
doesn't need wmb() before "Y = 1" if wake_up() wakes something up. Do we
really want to document this? Is it fine to rely on this guarantee?
> The write barrier occurs before the task state is
> cleared, and so sits between the STORE to indicate the event and
> the STORE to set TASK_RUNNING, and the read barrier after that:
Plus: between the STORE to indicate the event and the LOAD which checks
task->state, otherwise:
> CPU 1 CPU 2
> =============================== ===============================
> set_current_state(); STORE event_indicated
> set_mb(); wake_up();
> STORE current->state <write barrier>
> <general barrier> STORE current->state
> LOAD event_indicated <read barrier>
this code is still racy.
In short: I am totally confused and most probably misunderstood you ;)
Oleg.
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2014-05-13 9:45 [PATCH 00/19] Misc page alloc, shmem, mark_page_accessed and page_waitqueue optimisations v3r33 Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 9:45 ` [PATCH 01/19] mm: page_alloc: Do not update zlc unless the zlc is active Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 9:45 ` [PATCH 02/19] mm: page_alloc: Do not treat a zone that cannot be used for dirty pages as "full" Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 9:45 ` [PATCH 03/19] jump_label: Expose the reference count Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 9:45 ` [PATCH 04/19] mm: page_alloc: Use jump labels to avoid checking number_of_cpusets Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 10:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-13 12:28 ` Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 9:45 ` [PATCH 05/19] mm: page_alloc: Calculate classzone_idx once from the zonelist ref Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 22:25 ` Andrew Morton
2014-05-14 6:32 ` Mel Gorman
2014-05-14 20:29 ` Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 9:45 ` [PATCH 06/19] mm: page_alloc: Only check the zone id check if pages are buddies Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 9:45 ` [PATCH 07/19] mm: page_alloc: Only check the alloc flags and gfp_mask for dirty once Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 9:45 ` [PATCH 08/19] mm: page_alloc: Take the ALLOC_NO_WATERMARK check out of the fast path Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 9:45 ` [PATCH 09/19] mm: page_alloc: Use word-based accesses for get/set pageblock bitmaps Mel Gorman
2014-05-22 9:24 ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-05-22 18:23 ` Andrew Morton
2014-05-22 18:45 ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-05-13 9:45 ` [PATCH 10/19] mm: page_alloc: Reduce number of times page_to_pfn is called Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 13:27 ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-05-13 14:09 ` Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 9:45 ` [PATCH 11/19] mm: page_alloc: Lookup pageblock migratetype with IRQs enabled during free Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 13:36 ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-05-13 14:23 ` Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 9:45 ` [PATCH 12/19] mm: page_alloc: Use unsigned int for order in more places Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 9:45 ` [PATCH 13/19] mm: page_alloc: Convert hot/cold parameter and immediate callers to bool Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 9:45 ` [PATCH 14/19] mm: shmem: Avoid atomic operation during shmem_getpage_gfp Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 9:45 ` [PATCH 15/19] mm: Do not use atomic operations when releasing pages Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 9:45 ` [PATCH 16/19] mm: Do not use unnecessary atomic operations when adding pages to the LRU Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 9:45 ` [PATCH 17/19] fs: buffer: Do not use unnecessary atomic operations when discarding buffers Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 11:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-13 12:50 ` Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 13:49 ` Jan Kara
2014-05-13 14:30 ` Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 14:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-13 14:46 ` Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 13:50 ` Jan Kara
2014-05-13 22:29 ` Andrew Morton
2014-05-14 6:12 ` Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 9:45 ` [PATCH 18/19] mm: Non-atomically mark page accessed during page cache allocation where possible Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 14:29 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-20 15:49 ` [PATCH] mm: non-atomically mark page accessed during page cache allocation where possible -fix Mel Gorman
2014-05-20 19:34 ` Andrew Morton
2014-05-21 12:09 ` Mel Gorman
2014-05-21 22:11 ` Andrew Morton
2014-05-22 0:07 ` Mel Gorman
2014-05-22 5:35 ` Prabhakar Lad
2014-05-13 9:45 ` [PATCH 19/19] mm: filemap: Avoid unnecessary barries and waitqueue lookups in unlock_page fastpath Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 12:53 ` Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 14:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-13 15:27 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-13 15:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-13 16:14 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-13 18:57 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-05-13 20:24 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-14 14:25 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-05-13 18:22 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-05-13 18:18 ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2014-05-13 18:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-13 18:52 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-13 19:31 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-05-13 20:32 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-14 16:11 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-05-14 16:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-16 13:51 ` [PATCH 0/1] ptrace: task_clear_jobctl_trapping()->wake_up_bit() needs mb() Oleg Nesterov
2014-05-16 13:51 ` [PATCH 1/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2014-05-21 9:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-21 19:19 ` Andrew Morton
2014-05-21 19:18 ` [PATCH 0/1] " Andrew Morton
2014-05-14 19:29 ` [PATCH 19/19] mm: filemap: Avoid unnecessary barries and waitqueue lookups in unlock_page fastpath Oleg Nesterov
2014-05-14 20:53 ` Mel Gorman
2014-05-15 10:48 ` [PATCH] mm: filemap: Avoid unnecessary barries and waitqueue lookups in unlock_page fastpath v4 Mel Gorman
2014-05-15 13:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-15 13:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-15 15:34 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-05-15 15:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-15 16:18 ` Mel Gorman
2014-05-15 15:03 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-05-15 21:24 ` Andrew Morton
2014-05-21 12:15 ` [PATCH] mm: filemap: Avoid unnecessary barries and waitqueue lookups in unlock_page fastpath v5 Mel Gorman
2014-05-21 13:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-21 15:33 ` Mel Gorman
2014-05-21 16:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-21 21:26 ` Andrew Morton
2014-05-21 21:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-21 21:50 ` Andrew Morton
2014-05-22 0:07 ` Mel Gorman
2014-05-22 7:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-22 10:40 ` [PATCH] mm: filemap: Avoid unnecessary barriers and waitqueue lookups in unlock_page fastpath v7 Mel Gorman
2014-05-22 10:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-22 13:00 ` Mel Gorman
2014-05-22 14:40 ` Mel Gorman
2014-05-22 15:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-22 15:36 ` Mel Gorman
2014-05-22 16:58 ` [PATCH] mm: filemap: Avoid unnecessary barriers and waitqueue lookups in unlock_page fastpath v8 Mel Gorman
2014-05-22 6:45 ` [PATCH] mm: filemap: Avoid unnecessary barries and waitqueue lookups in unlock_page fastpath v5 Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-22 8:46 ` Mel Gorman
2014-05-22 17:47 ` Andrew Morton
2014-05-22 19:53 ` Mel Gorman
2014-05-21 23:35 ` Mel Gorman
2014-05-13 16:52 ` [PATCH 19/19] mm: filemap: Avoid unnecessary barries and waitqueue lookups in unlock_page fastpath Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-14 7:31 ` Mel Gorman
2014-05-19 8:57 ` [PATCH] mm: Avoid unnecessary atomic operations during end_page_writeback Mel Gorman
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