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From: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Chen Yucong <slaoub@gmail.com>,
	mgorman@suse.de, hannes@cmpxchg.org, mhocko@suse.cz,
	riel@redhat.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [PATCH] mm: Write down design and intentions in English for proportial scan
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 12:00:02 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140620030002.GA14884@bbox> (raw)

On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 01:13:22PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jun 2014 10:02:39 +0900 Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org> wrote:
> 
> > > > @@ -2057,8 +2057,7 @@ out:
> > > >  static void shrink_lruvec(struct lruvec *lruvec, struct scan_control
> > > > *sc)
> > > >  {
> > > >         unsigned long nr[NR_LRU_LISTS];
> > > > -       unsigned long targets[NR_LRU_LISTS];
> > > > -       unsigned long nr_to_scan;
> > > > +       unsigned long file_target, anon_target;
> > > > 
> > > > >From the above snippet, we can know that the "percent" locals come from
> > > > targets[NR_LRU_LISTS]. So this fix does not increase the stack.
> > > 
> > > OK.  But I expect the stack use could be decreased by using more
> > > complex expressions.
> > 
> > I didn't look at this patch yet but want to say.
> > 
> > The expression is not easy to follow since several people already
> > confused/discuss/fixed a bit so I'd like to put more concern to clarity
> > rather than stack footprint.
> 
> That code is absolutely awful :( It's terribly difficult to work out
> what the design is - what the code is actually setting out to achieve. 
> One is reduced to trying to reverse-engineer the intent from the
> implementation and that becomes near impossible when the
> implementation has bugs!
> 
> Look at this miserable comment:
> 
> 		/*
> 		 * For kswapd and memcg, reclaim at least the number of pages
> 		 * requested. Ensure that the anon and file LRUs are scanned
> 		 * proportionally what was requested by get_scan_count(). We
> 		 * stop reclaiming one LRU and reduce the amount scanning
> 		 * proportional to the original scan target.
> 		 */
> 
> 
> > For kswapd and memcg, reclaim at least the number of pages
> > requested.
> 
> *why*?
> 
> > Ensure that the anon and file LRUs are scanned
> > proportionally what was requested by get_scan_count().
> 
> Ungramattical.  Lacks specificity.  Fails to explain *why*.
> 
> > We stop reclaiming one LRU and reduce the amount scanning
> > proportional to the original scan target.
> 
> Ungramattical.  Lacks specificity.  Fails to explain *why*.
> 
> 
> The only way we're going to fix all this up is to stop looking at the
> code altogether.  Write down the design and the intentions in English. 
> Review that.  Then implement that design in C.
> 
> So review and understanding of this code then is a two-stage thing. 
> First, we review and understand the *design*, as written in English. 
> Secondly, we check that the code faithfully implements that design. 
> This second step becomes quite trivial.
> 
> 
> That may all sound excessively long-winded and formal, but
> shrink_lruvec() of all places needs such treatment.  I am completely
> fed up with peering at the code trying to work out what on earth people
> were thinking when they typed it in :(
> 
> 
> So my suggestion is: let's stop fiddling with the code.  Someone please
> prepare a patch which fully documents the design and let's get down and
> review that.  Once that patch is complete, let's then start looking at
> the implementation.
> 

By suggestion from Andrew, first of all, I try to add only comment
but I believe we could make it more clear by some change like this.
https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/6/16/750

Anyway, push this patch firstly.

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             reply	other threads:[~2014-06-20  2:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 3+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-20  3:00 Minchan Kim [this message]
2014-06-20  3:53 ` [PATCH] mm: Write down design and intentions in English for proportial scan Andrew Morton
2014-06-20  5:04   ` Minchan Kim

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