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From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, H Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] TLB flush multiple pages per IPI v5
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 23:35:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150609223509.GX26425@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150609223203.GW26425@suse.de>

On Tue, Jun 09, 2015 at 11:32:03PM +0100, Mel Gorman wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 09, 2015 at 02:54:01PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > The 0 cycle TLB miss was also interesting.  It goes back up to something
> > > reasonable if I put the mb()/mfence's back.
> > 
> > So I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Intel does really well
> > on TLB fills.
> > 
> > The reason is partly historical, with Win95 doing a ton of TLB
> > invalidation (I think every single GDI call ended up invalidating the
> > TLB, so under some important Windows benchmarks of the time, you
> > literally had a TLB flush every 10k instructions!).
> > 
> > But partly it is because people are wrong in thinking that TLB fills
> > have to be slow. There's a lot of complete garbage RISC machines where
> > the TLB fill took forever, because in the name of simplicity it would
> > stop the pipeline and often be done in SW.
> > 
> > The zero-cycle TLB fill is obviously a bit optimistic, but at the same
> > time it's not completely insane. TLB fills can be prefetched, and the
> > table walker can hit the cache, if you do them right. And Intel mostly
> > does.
> > 
> > So the normal full (non-global) TLB fill really is fairly cheap. It's
> > been optimized for, and the TLB gets re-filled fairly efficiently. I
> > suspect that it's really the case that doing more than just a couple
> > of single-tlb flushes is a complete waste of time: the flushing takes
> > longer than re-filling the TLB well.
> > 
> 
> I expect I'll do another revision of the series after 4.2-rc1 as it's way
> too close to 4.1's release. When that happens, I'll drop patch 4 and leave
> just the full non-global flush patch. In the event there is an architecture
> that really cares about the refill cost or we find that there is a corner
> case where the TLB refill hurts then patch 4 will be in the mail archives
> to consider for rebase and testing.
> 

To be clear I meant patch 4 from v6 of the series will be dropped. In that
series, patch 2 does a full non-global flush and patch 4 does the per-pfn
tracking with multiple single page frame flushes.

-- 
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-06-09 22:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-08 12:50 [PATCH 0/3] TLB flush multiple pages per IPI v5 Mel Gorman
2015-06-08 12:50 ` [PATCH 1/3] x86, mm: Trace when an IPI is about to be sent Mel Gorman
2015-06-08 12:50 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: Send one IPI per CPU to TLB flush multiple pages that were recently unmapped Mel Gorman
2015-06-08 22:38   ` Andrew Morton
2015-06-09 11:07     ` Mel Gorman
2015-06-08 12:50 ` [PATCH 3/3] mm: Defer flush of writable TLB entries Mel Gorman
2015-06-08 17:45 ` [PATCH 0/3] TLB flush multiple pages per IPI v5 Ingo Molnar
2015-06-08 18:21   ` Dave Hansen
2015-06-08 19:52     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-08 20:03       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-08 21:07       ` Dave Hansen
2015-06-08 21:50         ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-09  8:47   ` Mel Gorman
2015-06-09 10:32     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-09 11:20       ` Mel Gorman
2015-06-09 12:43         ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-09 13:05           ` Mel Gorman
2015-06-10  8:51             ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-10  9:08               ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-10 10:15                 ` Mel Gorman
2015-06-11 15:26                   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-10  9:19               ` Mel Gorman
2015-06-09 15:34           ` Dave Hansen
2015-06-09 16:49             ` Dave Hansen
2015-06-09 21:14               ` Dave Hansen
2015-06-09 21:54                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-06-09 22:32                   ` Mel Gorman
2015-06-09 22:35                     ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2015-06-10 13:13                   ` Andi Kleen
2015-06-10 16:17                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-06-10 16:42                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-06-10 17:24                         ` Mel Gorman
2015-06-10 17:31                           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-06-10 18:08                         ` Josh Boyer
2015-06-10 17:07                       ` Mel Gorman
2015-06-21 20:22             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-06-25 11:48               ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-25 18:36                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-06-25 19:15                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-06-25 22:04                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-06-25 18:46                 ` Dave Hansen
2015-06-26  9:08                   ` Ingo Molnar

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