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From: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org, Matthew Wilcox <willy@linux.intel.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] dax, pmem: add support for msync
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2015 13:08:04 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150901100804.GA7045@node.dhcp.inet.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150831233803.GO3902@dastard>

On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 09:38:03AM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 12:59:44PM -0600, Ross Zwisler wrote:
> > For DAX msync we just need to flush the given range using
> > wb_cache_pmem(), which is now a public part of the PMEM API.
> 
> This is wrong, because it still leaves fsync() broken on dax.
> 
> Flushing dirty data to stable storage is the responsibility of the
> writeback infrastructure, not the VMA/mm infrasrtucture.

Writeback infrastructure is non-existent for DAX. Without struct page we
don't have anything to transfer pte_ditry() to. And I'm not sure we need
to invent some. For DAX flushing in-place can be cheaper than dirty
tracking beyond page tables.

> For non-dax configurations, msync defers all that to vfs_fsync_range(),
> because it has to be implemented there for fsync() to work.

Not necessary. I think fsync() for DAX can be implemented with rmap over
all file's VMA and msync() them with commiting metadata afterwards.

But we also need to commit to persistent on zap_page_range() to make it
work.

> Even for DAX, msync has to call vfs_fsync_range() for the filesystem to commit
> the backing store allocations to stable storage, so there's not
> getting around the fact msync is the wrong place to be flushing
> DAX mappings to persistent storage.

Why?
IIUC, msync() doesn't have any requirements wrt metadata, right?

> I pointed this out almost 6 months ago (i.e. that fsync was broken)
> anf hinted at how to solve it. Fix fsync, and msync gets fixed for
> free:
> 
> https://lists.01.org/pipermail/linux-nvdimm/2015-March/000341.html
> 
> I've also reported to Willy that DAX write page faults don't work
> correctly, either. xfstests generic/080 exposes this: a read
> from a page followed immediately by a write to that page does not
> result in ->page_mkwrite being called on the write and so
> backing store is not allocated for the page, nor are the timestamps
> for the file updated. This will also result in fsync (and msync)
> not working properly.

Is that because XFS doesn't provide vm_ops->pfn_mkwrite?

-- 
 Kirill A. Shutemov

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-09-01 10:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-31 18:59 [PATCH] dax, pmem: add support for msync Ross Zwisler
2015-08-31 19:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-31 19:26   ` Ross Zwisler
2015-08-31 19:34     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-31 23:38 ` Dave Chinner
2015-09-01  7:06   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-09-01 12:18     ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-02 19:04       ` Ross Zwisler
2015-09-02 20:17         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-09-03  6:32         ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-03 16:44           ` Ross Zwisler
2015-09-01 22:21     ` Dave Chinner
2015-09-02  3:19       ` Ross Zwisler
2015-09-02  5:17         ` Dave Chinner
2015-09-02 10:27           ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-02 14:23             ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-02 15:18               ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-02 15:39                 ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-02 16:00                   ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-02 16:19                     ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-03  6:41                       ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-02 10:04         ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-01 10:08   ` Kirill A. Shutemov [this message]
2015-09-01 11:27     ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-01 22:49     ` Dave Chinner
2015-09-02  9:13       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-09-02  9:37         ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-02  9:41           ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-02  9:47             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-09-02 10:28               ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-03  0:57         ` Dave Chinner
2015-09-01 13:12 ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-02 17:47   ` Ross Zwisler

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