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From: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>, Borislav Petkov <bp@suse.de>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	live-patching@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 07/18] kthread: Allow to cancel kthread work
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 13:26:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150925112617.GA3122@pathway.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150922193513.GE17659@mtj.duckdns.org>

On Tue 2015-09-22 15:35:13, Tejun Heo wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 03:03:48PM +0200, Petr Mladek wrote:
> >  /**
> > + * try_to_grab_pending_kthread_work - steal kthread work item from worklist,
> > + *	and disable irq
> > + * @work: work item to steal
> > + * @is_dwork: @work is a delayed_work
> > + * @flags: place to store irq state
> > + *
> > + * Try to grab PENDING bit of @work.  This function can handle @work in any
> > + * stable state - idle, on timer or on worklist.
> > + *
> > + * Return:
> > + *  1		if @work was pending and we successfully stole PENDING
> > + *  0		if @work was idle and we claimed PENDING
> > + *  -EAGAIN	if PENDING couldn't be grabbed at the moment, safe to busy-retry
> > + *  -ENOENT	if someone else is canceling @work, this state may persist
> > + *		for arbitrarily long
> > + *
> > + * Note:
> > + * On >= 0 return, the caller owns @work's PENDING bit.  To avoid getting
> > + * interrupted while holding PENDING and @work off queue, irq must be
> > + * disabled on return.  This, combined with delayed_work->timer being
> > + * irqsafe, ensures that we return -EAGAIN for finite short period of time.
> > + *
> > + * On successful return, >= 0, irq is disabled and the caller is
> > + * responsible for releasing it using local_irq_restore(*@flags).
> > + *
> > + * This function is safe to call from any context including IRQ handler.
> > + */
> 
> Ugh... I think this is way too much for kthread_worker.  Workqueue is
> as complex as it is partly for historical reasons and partly because
> it's used so widely and heavily.  kthread_worker is always guaranteed
> to have a single worker and in most cases maybe several work items.
> There's no reason to bring this level of complexity onto it.
> Providing simliar semantics is fine but it should be possible to do
> this in a lot simpler way if the requirements on space and concurrency
> is this much lower.
> 
> e.g. always embed timer_list in a work item and use per-worker
> spinlock to synchronize access to both the work item and timer and use
> per-work-item mutex to synchronize multiple cancelers.  Let's please
> keep it simple.

I thought about it a lot and I do not see a way how to make it easier
using the locks.

I guess that you are primary interested into the two rather
complicated things:


1) PENDING state plus -EAGAIN/busy loop cycle
---------------------------------------------

IMHO, we want to use the timer because it is an elegant solution.
Then we must release the lock when the timer is running. The lock
must be taken by the timer->function(). And there is a small window
when the timer is not longer pending but timer->function is not running:

CPU0                            CPU1

run_timer_softirq()
  __run_timers()
    detach_expired_timer()
      detach_timer()
	#clear_pending

				try_to_grab_pending_kthread_work()
				  del_timer()
				    # fails because not pending

				  test_and_set_bit(KTHREAD_WORK_PENDING_BIT)
				    # fails because already set

				  if (!list_empty(&work->node))
				    # fails because still not queued

			!!! problematic window !!!

    call_timer_fn()
     queue_kthraed_work()


2) CANCEL state plus custom waitqueue
-------------------------------------

cancel_kthread_work_sync() has to wait for the running work. It might take
quite some time. Therefore we could not block others by a spinlock.
Also others could not wait for the spin lock in a busy wait.


IMHO, the proposed and rather complex solutions are needed in both cases.

Or did I miss a possible trick, please?

Best Regards,
Petr

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-25 11:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-21 13:03 [RFC v2 00/18] kthread: Use kthread worker API more widely Petr Mladek
2015-09-21 13:03 ` [RFC v2 01/18] kthread: Allow to call __kthread_create_on_node() with va_list args Petr Mladek
2015-09-21 13:03 ` [RFC v2 02/18] kthread: Add create_kthread_worker*() Petr Mladek
2015-09-22 18:20   ` Tejun Heo
2015-09-21 13:03 ` [RFC v2 03/18] kthread: Add drain_kthread_worker() Petr Mladek
2015-09-22 18:26   ` Tejun Heo
2015-09-21 13:03 ` [RFC v2 04/18] kthread: Add destroy_kthread_worker() Petr Mladek
2015-09-22 18:30   ` Tejun Heo
2015-09-21 13:03 ` [RFC v2 05/18] kthread: Add pending flag to kthread work Petr Mladek
2015-09-21 13:03 ` [RFC v2 06/18] kthread: Initial support for delayed " Petr Mladek
2015-09-21 13:03 ` [RFC v2 07/18] kthread: Allow to cancel " Petr Mladek
2015-09-22 19:35   ` Tejun Heo
2015-09-25 11:26     ` Petr Mladek [this message]
2015-09-28 17:03       ` Tejun Heo
2015-10-02 15:43         ` Petr Mladek
2015-10-02 19:24           ` Tejun Heo
2015-10-05 10:07             ` Petr Mladek
2015-10-05 11:09               ` Petr Mladek
2015-10-07  9:21                 ` Petr Mladek
2015-10-07 14:24                   ` Tejun Heo
2015-10-14 10:20                     ` Petr Mladek
2015-10-14 17:30                       ` Tejun Heo
2015-09-21 13:03 ` [RFC v2 08/18] kthread: Allow to modify delayed " Petr Mladek
2015-09-21 13:03 ` [RFC v2 09/18] mm/huge_page: Convert khugepaged() into kthread worker API Petr Mladek
2015-09-22 20:26   ` Tejun Heo
2015-09-23  9:50     ` Petr Mladek
2015-09-21 13:03 ` [RFC v2 10/18] ring_buffer: Do no not complete benchmark reader too early Petr Mladek
2015-09-21 13:03 ` [RFC v2 11/18] ring_buffer: Fix more races when terminating the producer in the benchmark Petr Mladek
2015-09-21 13:03 ` [RFC v2 12/18] ring_buffer: Convert benchmark kthreads into kthread worker API Petr Mladek
2015-09-21 13:03 ` [RFC v2 13/18] rcu: Finish folding ->fqs_state into ->gp_state Petr Mladek
2015-09-21 13:03 ` [RFC v2 14/18] rcu: Store first_gp_fqs into struct rcu_state Petr Mladek
2015-09-21 13:03 ` [RFC v2 15/18] rcu: Clean up timeouts for forcing the quiescent state Petr Mladek
2015-09-21 13:03 ` [RFC v2 16/18] rcu: Check actual RCU_GP_FLAG_FQS when handling " Petr Mladek
2015-09-21 13:03 ` [RFC v2 17/18] rcu: Convert RCU gp kthreads into kthread worker API Petr Mladek
2015-09-28 17:14   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-01 15:43     ` Petr Mladek
2015-10-01 16:33       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-09-21 13:03 ` [RFC v2 18/18] kthread: Better support freezable kthread workers Petr Mladek
2015-09-22 20:32 ` [RFC v2 00/18] kthread: Use kthread worker API more widely Tejun Heo
2015-09-30  5:08 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-01 15:59   ` Petr Mladek
2015-10-01 17:00     ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-02 12:00       ` Petr Mladek
2015-10-02 13:59         ` Paul E. McKenney

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