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From: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	Hillf Danton <hillf.zj@alibaba-inc.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] OOM detection rework v4
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 00:01:12 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160302150112.GA18192@bbox> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160302095056.GB26701@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Wed, Mar 02, 2016 at 10:50:56AM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Wed 02-03-16 11:19:54, Joonsoo Kim wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:02:13PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> [...]
> > > > +	/*
> > > > +	 * OK, so the watermak check has failed. Make sure we do all the
> > > > +	 * retries for !costly high order requests and hope that multiple
> > > > +	 * runs of compaction will generate some high order ones for us.
> > > > +	 *
> > > > +	 * XXX: ideally we should teach the compaction to try _really_ hard
> > > > +	 * if we are in the retry path - something like priority 0 for the
> > > > +	 * reclaim
> > > > +	 */
> > > > +	if (order && order <= PAGE_ALLOC_COSTLY_ORDER)
> > > > +		return true;
> > > > +
> > > >  	return false;
> > 
> > This seems not a proper fix. Checking watermark with high order has
> > another meaning that there is high order page or not. This isn't
> > what we want here.
> 
> Why not? Why should we retry the reclaim if we do not have >=order page
> available? Reclaim itself doesn't guarantee any of the freed pages will
> form the requested order. The ordering on the LRU lists is pretty much
> random wrt. pfn ordering. On the other hand if we have a page available
> which is just hidden by watermarks then it makes perfect sense to retry
> and free even order-0 pages.
> 
> > So, following fix is needed.
> 
> > 'if (order)' check isn't needed. It is used to clarify the meaning of
> > this fix. You can remove it.
> > 
> > diff --git a/mm/page_alloc.c b/mm/page_alloc.c
> > index 1993894..8c80375 100644
> > --- a/mm/page_alloc.c
> > +++ b/mm/page_alloc.c
> > @@ -3125,6 +3125,10 @@ should_reclaim_retry(gfp_t gfp_mask, unsigned order,
> >         if (order > PAGE_ALLOC_COSTLY_ORDER && !(gfp_mask & __GFP_REPEAT))
> >                 return false;
> >  
> > +       /* To check whether compaction is available or not */
> > +       if (order)
> > +               order = 0;
> > +
> 
> This would enforce the order 0 wmark check which is IMHO not correct as
> per above.
> 
> >         /*
> >          * Keep reclaiming pages while there is a chance this will lead
> >          * somewhere.  If none of the target zones can satisfy our allocation
> > 
> > > >  }
> > > >  
> > > > @@ -3281,11 +3293,11 @@ __alloc_pages_slowpath(gfp_t gfp_mask, unsigned int order,
> > > >  		goto noretry;
> > > >  
> > > >  	/*
> > > > -	 * Costly allocations might have made a progress but this doesn't mean
> > > > -	 * their order will become available due to high fragmentation so do
> > > > -	 * not reset the no progress counter for them
> > > > +	 * High order allocations might have made a progress but this doesn't
> > > > +	 * mean their order will become available due to high fragmentation so
> > > > +	 * do not reset the no progress counter for them
> > > >  	 */
> > > > -	if (did_some_progress && order <= PAGE_ALLOC_COSTLY_ORDER)
> > > > +	if (did_some_progress && !order)
> > > >  		no_progress_loops = 0;
> > > >  	else
> > > >  		no_progress_loops++;
> > 
> > This unconditionally increases no_progress_loops for high order
> > allocation, so, after 16 iterations, it will fail. If compaction isn't
> > enabled in Kconfig, 16 times reclaim attempt would not be sufficient
> > to make high order page. Should we consider this case also?
> 
> How many retries would help? I do not think any number will work
> reliably. Configurations without compaction enabled are asking for
> problems by definition IMHO. Relying on order-0 reclaim for high order
> allocations simply cannot work.

I left compaction code for a long time so a super hero might make it
perfect now but I don't think the dream come true yet and I believe
any algorithm has a drawback so we end up relying on a fallback approach
in case of not working compaction correctly.

My suggestion is to reintroduce *lumpy reclaim* and kicks in only when
compaction gave up by some reasons. It would be better to rely on
random number retrial of reclaim.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-03-02 15:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-15 18:19 [PATCH 0/3] OOM detection rework v4 Michal Hocko
2015-12-15 18:19 ` [PATCH 1/3] mm, oom: rework oom detection Michal Hocko
2016-01-14 22:58   ` David Rientjes
2016-01-16  1:07     ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-19 22:48       ` David Rientjes
2016-01-20 11:13         ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-20 13:13           ` Michal Hocko
2016-04-04  8:23   ` Vladimir Davydov
2016-04-04  9:42     ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-15 18:19 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: throttle on IO only when there are too many dirty and writeback pages Michal Hocko
2016-03-17 11:35   ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-17 12:01     ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-15 18:19 ` [PATCH 3/3] mm: use watermak checks for __GFP_REPEAT high order allocations Michal Hocko
2015-12-16 23:35 ` [PATCH 0/3] OOM detection rework v4 Andrew Morton
2015-12-18 12:12   ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-16 23:58 ` Andrew Morton
2015-12-18 13:15   ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-18 16:35     ` Johannes Weiner
2015-12-24 12:41 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-12-28 12:08   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-12-28 14:13     ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-06 12:44       ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-01-08 12:37       ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-29 16:32     ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-30 15:05       ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-02 15:47         ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-20 12:24           ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-27 23:18             ` David Rientjes
2016-01-28 21:19               ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-29 16:27   ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-28 20:40 ` [PATCH 4/3] mm, oom: drop the last allocation attempt before out_of_memory Michal Hocko
2016-01-28 21:36   ` Johannes Weiner
2016-01-28 23:19     ` David Rientjes
2016-01-28 23:51       ` Johannes Weiner
2016-01-29 10:39         ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-29 15:32         ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-30 12:18           ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-29 15:23       ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-29 15:24     ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-28 21:19 ` [PATCH 5/3] mm, vmscan: make zone_reclaimable_pages more precise Michal Hocko
2016-01-28 23:20   ` David Rientjes
2016-01-29  3:41   ` Hillf Danton
2016-01-29 10:35   ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-29 15:17     ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-29 21:30       ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-02-03 13:27 ` [PATCH 0/3] OOM detection rework v4 Michal Hocko
2016-02-03 22:58   ` David Rientjes
2016-02-04 12:57     ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-04 13:10       ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-02-04 13:39         ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-04 14:24           ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-07  4:09           ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-02-15 20:06             ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-16 13:10               ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-02-16 15:19                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-25  3:47   ` Hugh Dickins
2016-02-25  6:48     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-25  9:17       ` Hillf Danton
2016-02-25  9:27         ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-25  9:48           ` Hillf Danton
2016-02-25 11:02             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-25  9:23     ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-26  6:32       ` Hugh Dickins
2016-02-26  7:54         ` Hillf Danton
2016-02-26  9:24           ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-26 10:27             ` Hillf Danton
2016-02-26 13:49               ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-26  9:33         ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-29 21:02       ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-02  2:19         ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02  9:50           ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-02 13:32             ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 14:06               ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-02 14:34                 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-03  9:26                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-03 10:29                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-03 14:10                     ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-03 15:25                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-04  5:23                         ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-04 15:15                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-04 17:39                             ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-07  5:23                             ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-03 15:50                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-03 16:26                         ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-04  7:10                         ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 15:01             ` Minchan Kim [this message]
2016-03-07 16:08         ` [PATCH] mm, oom: protect !costly allocations some more (was: Re: [PATCH 0/3] OOM detection rework v4) Michal Hocko
2016-03-08  3:51           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-08  9:08             ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08  9:24               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-08  9:24           ` [PATCH] mm, oom: protect !costly allocations some more Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-08  9:32             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-08  9:46             ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08  9:52               ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-08 10:10                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 11:12                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-08 12:22                     ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 12:29                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-08  9:58           ` [PATCH] mm, oom: protect !costly allocations some more (was: Re: [PATCH 0/3] OOM detection rework v4) Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-08 13:57             ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 10:36           ` Hugh Dickins
2016-03-08 13:42           ` [PATCH 0/2] oom rework: high order enahncements Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 13:42             ` [PATCH 1/3] mm, compaction: change COMPACT_ constants into enum Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 14:19               ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-09  3:55               ` Hillf Danton
2016-03-08 13:42             ` [PATCH 2/3] mm, compaction: cover all compaction mode in compact_zone Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 14:22               ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-09  3:57               ` Hillf Danton
2016-03-08 13:42             ` [PATCH 3/3] mm, oom: protect !costly allocations some more Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 14:34               ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-08 14:48                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 15:03                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-09 11:11               ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-09 14:07                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-11 12:17                 ` Hugh Dickins
2016-03-11 13:06                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-11 19:08                     ` Hugh Dickins
2016-03-14 16:21                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 15:19           ` [PATCH] mm, oom: protect !costly allocations some more (was: Re: [PATCH 0/3] OOM detection rework v4) Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-08 16:05             ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 17:03               ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-09 10:41                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-11 14:53                   ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-11 15:20                     ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-29 20:35     ` [PATCH 0/3] OOM detection rework v4 Michal Hocko
2016-03-01  7:29       ` Hugh Dickins
2016-03-01 13:38         ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-01 14:40           ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-01 18:14           ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-02  2:55             ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 12:37               ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-02 14:06                 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 12:24             ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-02 13:00               ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-02 13:22               ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-02  2:28           ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 12:39             ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-03  9:54           ` Hugh Dickins
2016-03-03 12:32             ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-03 20:57               ` Hugh Dickins
2016-03-04  7:41                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-04  7:53             ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-04 12:28             ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-11 10:45 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-11 13:08   ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-11 13:32     ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-11 15:28       ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-11 16:49         ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-11 17:00           ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-11 17:20             ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-12  4:08               ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-13 14:41                 ` Tetsuo Handa

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