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From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Matthew Wilcox <mawilcox@microsoft.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/6] dax: add tracepoint infrastructure, PMD tracing
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 01:45:10 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161128014510.GZ1555@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFwmCVZECoMszXZkJ8tSpG5+Ynt-5EKxKqDepNtjUv5vkg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 04:58:43PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> You are living in some unrealistic dream-world where you think you can
> get the right tracepoint on the first try.
> 
> So there is no way in hell I would ever mark any tracepoint "stable"
> until it has had a fair amount of use, and there are useful tools that
> actually make use of it, and it has shown itself to be the right
> trace-point.
> 
> And once that actually happens, what's the advantage of marking it
> stable? None. It's a catch-22. Before it has uses and has been tested
> and found to be good, it's not stable. And after, it's pointless.
> 
> So at no point does such a "stable" tracepoint marking make sense. At
> most, you end up adding a comment saying "this tracepoint is used by
> tools such-and-such".

I can't speak for Dave, but I suspect that it's more about "this, this and
that tracepoints are purely internal and we can and will change them whenever
we bloody feel like that; stick your fingers in those and they _will_ get
crushed".

Incidentally, take a look at
        trace_ocfs2_file_aio_read(inode, filp, filp->f_path.dentry,
                        (unsigned long long)OCFS2_I(inode)->ip_blkno,
                        filp->f_path.dentry->d_name.len,
                        filp->f_path.dentry->d_name.name,
                        to->nr_segs);   /* GRRRRR */
Note that there is nothing whatsoever protecting the use of ->d_name in
there (not that poking in iov_iter guts was a good idea).  Besides, suppose
something *did* grab a hold of that one a while ago.  What would we have
to do to avoid stepping on its toes every time when somebody call ocfs2
->splice_read(), which has recently started to go through ->read_iter()
calls?  Prepend something like if (!(to->type & ITER_PIPE)) to it?

I'm very tempted to just go and remove it, along with its analogues.
If nothing else, the use of ->d_name *is* racy, and while it might be
tolerable for occasional debugging, for anything in heavier use it's
asking for trouble...

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-11-28  1:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-23 18:44 [PATCH 0/6] introduce DAX tracepoint support Ross Zwisler
2016-11-23 18:44 ` [PATCH 1/6] dax: fix build breakage with ext4, dax and !iomap Ross Zwisler
2016-11-24  9:02   ` Jan Kara
2016-11-28 19:15     ` Ross Zwisler
2016-11-29  8:53       ` Jan Kara
2016-11-30 19:04         ` Ross Zwisler
2016-12-01  7:53           ` Jan Kara
2016-11-23 18:44 ` [PATCH 2/6] dax: remove leading space from labels Ross Zwisler
2016-11-24  9:11   ` Jan Kara
2016-11-24 19:42     ` Dan Williams
2016-11-28 19:20       ` Ross Zwisler
2016-11-23 18:44 ` [PATCH 3/6] dax: add tracepoint infrastructure, PMD tracing Ross Zwisler
2016-11-24  9:16   ` Jan Kara
2016-11-24 17:32   ` Al Viro
2016-11-25  2:49     ` Dave Chinner
2016-11-25  4:14       ` Al Viro
2016-11-25  7:06         ` Dave Chinner
2016-11-25  7:37           ` Al Viro
2016-11-25 19:51             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-11-25 20:36               ` Mike Marshall
2016-11-25 21:48               ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-11-25 23:38                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-11-28  8:33                 ` Jan Kara
2016-11-27 22:42               ` Dave Chinner
2016-11-28  0:58                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-11-28  1:45                   ` Al Viro [this message]
2016-11-28  9:09                   ` Dave Chinner
2016-11-25  3:00   ` Dave Chinner
2016-11-28 22:46     ` Ross Zwisler
2016-11-29  2:02       ` Dave Chinner
2017-03-08 22:05         ` Mike Marshall
2016-11-23 18:44 ` [PATCH 4/6] dax: update MAINTAINERS entries for FS DAX Ross Zwisler
2016-11-23 18:44 ` [PATCH 5/6] dax: add tracepoints to dax_pmd_load_hole() Ross Zwisler
2016-11-24  9:20   ` Jan Kara
2016-11-23 18:44 ` [PATCH 6/6] dax: add tracepoints to dax_pmd_insert_mapping() Ross Zwisler
2016-11-24  9:22   ` Jan Kara

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