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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Donald Buczek <buczek@molgen.mpg.de>,
	Paul Menzel <pmenzel@molgen.mpg.de>,
	dvteam@molgen.mpg.de, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>
Subject: Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node`
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 09:23:55 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161130172355.GA3924@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161130170557.GK18432@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 06:05:57PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Wed 30-11-16 17:38:20, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 06:29:55AM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > We can, and you are correct that cond_resched() does not unconditionally
> > > supply RCU quiescent states, and never has.  Last time I tried to add
> > > cond_resched_rcu_qs() semantics to cond_resched(), I got told "no",
> > > but perhaps it is time to try again.
> > 
> > Well, you got told: "ARRGH my benchmark goes all regress", or something
> > along those lines. Didn't we recently dig out those commits for some
> > reason or other?
> > 
> > Finding out what benchmark that was and running it against this patch
> > would make sense.
> > 
> > Also, I seem to have missed, why are we going through this again?
> 
> Well, the point I've brought that up is because having basically two
> APIs for cond_resched is more than confusing. Basically all longer in
> kernel loops do cond_resched() but it seems that this will not help the
> silence RCU lockup detector in rare cases where nothing really wants to
> schedule. I am really not sure whether we want to sprinkle
> cond_resched_rcu_qs at random places just to silence RCU detector...

Just in case there is any doubt on this point, any patch of mine adding
cond_resched_rcu_qs() functionality to cond_resched() cannot go upstream
without Peter's Acked-by.

Or did you have some other solution in mind?

							Thanx, Paul

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-11-30 17:24 UTC|newest]

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2016-11-28 12:26                     ` INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` Paul Menzel
2016-11-30 10:28                       ` Donald Buczek
2016-11-30 11:09                         ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-30 11:43                           ` Donald Buczek
2016-12-02  9:14                             ` Donald Buczek
2016-12-06  8:32                               ` Donald Buczek
2016-11-30 11:53                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-11-30 11:54                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-11-30 12:31                               ` Paul Menzel
2016-11-30 14:31                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-11-30 13:19                             ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-30 14:29                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-11-30 16:38                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-30 17:02                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-11-30 17:05                                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-30 17:23                                     ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2016-11-30 17:34                                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-30 17:50                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-30 19:40                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-12-01  5:30                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-12-01 12:40                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-12-01 16:36                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-12-01 16:59                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-12-01 18:09                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-12-01 18:42                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-12-01 18:49                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
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     [not found]             ` <20161128143435.GC3924@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
2016-11-28 14:40               ` Boris Zhmurov
2016-11-28 15:05                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-11-28 19:16                   ` Boris Zhmurov
2016-11-29 18:59                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-11-30 17:41                   ` Boris Zhmurov
2016-11-30 17:48                     ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-30 18:12                       ` Boris Zhmurov
2016-11-30 18:25                         ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-30 18:26                           ` Boris Zhmurov
2016-12-01 18:10                           ` Boris Zhmurov
2016-12-01 19:39                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-12-02  9:37                             ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-02 13:52                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-12-02 16:39                             ` Boris Zhmurov
2016-12-02 16:44                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-12-02 17:02                                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-02 17:15                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-11-30 19:42                         ` Paul E. McKenney

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