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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, pmladek@suse.cz, sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/page_alloc: Wait for oom_lock before retrying.
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 13:55:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161212125535.GA3185@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201612122112.IBI64512.FOVOFQFLMJHOtS@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>

On Mon 12-12-16 21:12:06, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > > diff --git a/mm/page_alloc.c b/mm/page_alloc.c
> > > > index ed65d7df72d5..c2ba51cec93d 100644
> > > > --- a/mm/page_alloc.c
> > > > +++ b/mm/page_alloc.c
> > > > @@ -3024,11 +3024,14 @@ void warn_alloc(gfp_t gfp_mask, const char *fmt, ...)
> > > >  	unsigned int filter = SHOW_MEM_FILTER_NODES;
> > > >  	struct va_format vaf;
> > > >  	va_list args;
> > > > +	static DEFINE_MUTEX(warn_lock);
> > > >  
> > > >  	if ((gfp_mask & __GFP_NOWARN) || !__ratelimit(&nopage_rs) ||
> > > >  	    debug_guardpage_minorder() > 0)
> > > >  		return;
> > > >  
> > > 
> > > if (gfp_mask & __GFP_DIRECT_RECLAIM)
> > 
> > Why?
> 
> Because warn_alloc() is also called by !__GFP_DIRECT_RECLAIM allocation
> requests when allocation failed. We are not allowed to sleep in that case.

Dohh, right. I have forgotten that warn_alloc is called when in the
nopage path. Sorry about that! We can make the lock non-sleepable...

> > 
> > > > +	mutex_lock(&warn_lock);
> > > > +
> > > >  	/*
> > > >  	 * This documents exceptions given to allocations in certain
> > > >  	 * contexts that are allowed to allocate outside current's set
> > > > @@ -3054,6 +3057,8 @@ void warn_alloc(gfp_t gfp_mask, const char *fmt, ...)
> > > >  	dump_stack();
> > > >  	if (!should_suppress_show_mem())
> > > >  		show_mem(filter);
> > > > +
> > > 
> > > if (gfp_mask & __GFP_DIRECT_RECLAIM)
> > > 
> > > > +	mutex_unlock(&warn_lock);
> > > >  }
> > > >  
> > > >  static inline struct page *
> > > 
> > > and I think "s/warn_lock/oom_lock/" because out_of_memory() might
> > > call show_mem() concurrently.
> > 
> > I would rather not mix the two. Even if both use show_mem then there is
> > no reason to abuse the oom_lock.
> > 
> > Maybe I've missed that but you haven't responded to the question whether
> > the warn_lock actually resolves the problem you are seeing.
> 
> I haven't tried warn_lock, but is warn_lock in warn_alloc() better than
> serializing oom_lock in __alloc_pages_may_oom() ? I think we don't need to
> waste CPU cycles before the OOM killer sends SIGKILL.

Yes, I find a separate lock better because there is no real reason to
abuse an unrelated lock.

> > > I think this warn_alloc() is too much noise. When something went
> > > wrong, multiple instances of Thread-2 tend to call warn_alloc()
> > > concurrently. We don't need to report similar memory information.
> > 
> > That is why we have ratelimitting. It is needs a better tunning then
> > just let's do it.
> 
> I think that calling show_mem() once per a series of warn_alloc() threads is
> sufficient. Since the amount of output by dump_stack() and that by show_mem()
> are nearly equals, we can save nearly 50% of output if we manage to avoid
> the same show_mem() calls.

I do not mind such an update. Again, that is what we have the
ratelimitting for. The fact that it doesn't throttle properly means that
we should tune its parameters.

> > > > OK, so the reason of the lock up must be something different. If we are
> > > > really {dead,live}locking on the printk because of warn_alloc then that
> > > > path should be tweaked instead. Something like below should rule this
> > > > out:
> > > 
> > > Last year I proposed disabling preemption at
> > > http://lkml.kernel.org/r/201509191605.CAF13520.QVSFHLtFJOMOOF@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp
> > > but it was not accepted. "while (1);" in userspace corresponds with
> > > pointless "direct reclaim and warn_alloc()" in kernel space. This time,
> > > I'm proposing serialization by oom_lock and replace warn_alloc() with kmallocwd
> > > in order to make printk() not to flood.
> > 
> > The way how you are trying to push your kmallocwd on any occasion is
> > quite annoying to be honest. If that approach would be so much better
> > than I am pretty sure you wouldn't have such a problem to have it
> > merged. warn_alloc is a simple and straightforward approach. If it can
> > cause floods of messages then we should tune it not replace by a big
> > hammer.
> 
> I wrote kmallocwd ( https://lkml.org/lkml/2016/11/6/7 )
> with the following precautions in mind.
> 

Skipping your points about kmallocwd which is (for the N+1th times) not
related to this thread and which belongs to the changelog of your
paatch.

[...]

> Maybe more, but no need to enumerate in this thread.
> How many of these precautions can be achieved by tuning warn_alloc() ?
> printk() tries to solve unbounded delay problem by using (I guess) a
> dedicated kernel thread. I don't think we can achieve these precautions
> without a centralized state tracking which can sleep and synchronize as
> needed.
> 
> Quite few people are responding to discussions regarding almost
> OOM situation. I beg for your joining to discussions.

I have already stated my position. I do not think that the code this
patch introduces is really justified for the advantages it provides over
a simple warn_alloc approach. Additional debugging information might be
nice but not necessary in 99% cases. If there are definciences in
warn_alloc (which I agree there are if there are thousands of contexts
hitting the path) then let's try to address them.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-12-12 12:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-12-06 10:33 [PATCH] mm/page_alloc: Wait for oom_lock before retrying Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-07  8:15 ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-07 15:29   ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-08  8:20     ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-12-08 11:00       ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-08 13:32         ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-08 16:18         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-12-08 13:27     ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-09 14:23       ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-09 14:46         ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-10 11:24           ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-12  9:07             ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-12 11:49               ` Petr Mladek
2016-12-12 13:00                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-12 14:05                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-13  1:06                 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-12-12 12:12               ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-12 12:55                 ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2016-12-12 13:19                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-13 12:06                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-13 17:06                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-14 11:37                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-14 12:42                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-14 16:36                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-14 18:18                               ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-15 10:21                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-19 11:25                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-19 12:27                                     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-12-20 15:39                                       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-12-22 10:27                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-22 10:53                                           ` Petr Mladek
2016-12-22 13:40                                             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-12-22 13:33                                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-22 19:24                                             ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-24  6:25                                               ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-26 11:49                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-27 10:39                                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-27 10:57                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-22 13:42                                           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-12-22 14:01                                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-22 14:09                                               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-12-22 14:30                                                 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-12-26 10:54                                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-26 11:34                                                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-01-12 13:10                                                     ` Petr Mladek
2017-01-13  2:52                                                       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-01-13  3:53                                                         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-01-13 11:15                                                           ` Petr Mladek
2017-01-13 11:14                                                         ` Petr Mladek
2017-01-12 14:18                                                     ` Petr Mladek
2017-01-13  2:28                                                       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-01-13 11:03                                                         ` Petr Mladek
2017-01-13 11:50                                                           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-01-13 12:15                                                             ` Petr Mladek
2016-12-26 11:41                                                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-01-13 14:03                                                     ` Petr Mladek
2016-12-15  1:11                         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-12-15  6:35                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-15 10:16                             ` Petr Mladek
2016-12-14  9:37                       ` Petr Mladek
2016-12-14 10:20                         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-12-14 11:01                           ` Petr Mladek
2016-12-14 12:23                             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-12-14 12:47                               ` Petr Mladek
2016-12-14 10:26                         ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-15  7:34                           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-12-14 11:37                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-14 12:36                           ` Petr Mladek
2016-12-14 12:44                             ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-14 13:36                               ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-14 13:52                                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-14 12:50                             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-12-12 14:59                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-12 15:55                     ` Michal Hocko

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