linux-mm.kvack.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: riel@redhat.com
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mhocko@kernel.org,
	mike.kravetz@oracle.com, linux-mm@kvack.org, fweimer@redhat.com,
	colm@allcosts.net, keescook@chromium.org, luto@amacapital.net,
	wad@chromium.org, mingo@kernel.org, kirill@shutemov.name,
	dave.hansen@intel.com, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, willy@infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm,fork: introduce MADV_WIPEONFORK
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:51:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170815155114.ff9f4164eed28bf02db48fbb@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170811212829.29186-3-riel@redhat.com>

On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 17:28:29 -0400 riel@redhat.com wrote:

> From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
> 
> Introduce MADV_WIPEONFORK semantics, which result in a VMA being
> empty in the child process after fork. This differs from MADV_DONTFORK
> in one important way.
> 
> If a child process accesses memory that was MADV_WIPEONFORK, it
> will get zeroes. The address ranges are still valid, they are just empty.
> 
> If a child process accesses memory that was MADV_DONTFORK, it will
> get a segmentation fault, since those address ranges are no longer
> valid in the child after fork.
> 
> Since MADV_DONTFORK also seems to be used to allow very large
> programs to fork in systems with strict memory overcommit restrictions,
> changing the semantics of MADV_DONTFORK might break existing programs.
> 
> MADV_WIPEONFORK only works on private, anonymous VMAs.
> 
> The use case is libraries that store or cache information, and
> want to know that they need to regenerate it in the child process
> after fork.
> 
> Examples of this would be:
> - systemd/pulseaudio API checks (fail after fork)
>   (replacing a getpid check, which is too slow without a PID cache)
> - PKCS#11 API reinitialization check (mandated by specification)
> - glibc's upcoming PRNG (reseed after fork)
> - OpenSSL PRNG (reseed after fork)
> 
> The security benefits of a forking server having a re-inialized
> PRNG in every child process are pretty obvious. However, due to
> libraries having all kinds of internal state, and programs getting
> compiled with many different versions of each library, it is
> unreasonable to expect calling programs to re-initialize everything
> manually after fork.
> 
> A further complication is the proliferation of clone flags,
> programs bypassing glibc's functions to call clone directly,
> and programs calling unshare, causing the glibc pthread_atfork
> hook to not get called.
> 
> It would be better to have the kernel take care of this automatically.

I'll add "The patch also adds MADV_KEEPONFORK, to undo the effects of a
prior MADV_WIPEONFORK." here.

I guess it isn't worth mentioning that these things can cause VMA
merges and splits. 

> --- a/mm/madvise.c
> +++ b/mm/madvise.c
> @@ -80,6 +80,17 @@ static long madvise_behavior(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
>  		}
>  		new_flags &= ~VM_DONTCOPY;
>  		break;
> +	case MADV_WIPEONFORK:
> +		/* MADV_WIPEONFORK is only supported on anonymous memory. */
> +		if (vma->vm_file || vma->vm_flags & VM_SHARED) {
> +			error = -EINVAL;
> +			goto out;
> +		}
> +		new_flags |= VM_WIPEONFORK;
> +		break;
> +	case MADV_KEEPONFORK:
> +		new_flags &= ~VM_WIPEONFORK;
> +		break;
>  	case MADV_DONTDUMP:
>  		new_flags |= VM_DONTDUMP;
>  		break;

It seems odd to permit MADV_KEEPONFORK against other-than-anon vmas?

--
To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in
the body to majordomo@kvack.org.  For more info on Linux MM,
see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ .
Don't email: <a href=mailto:"dont@kvack.org"> email@kvack.org </a>

  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-15 22:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-11 21:28 [PATCH v4 0/2] mm,fork,security: introduce MADV_WIPEONFORK riel
2017-08-11 21:28 ` [PATCH 1/2] x86,mpx: make mpx depend on x86-64 to free up VMA flag riel
2017-08-11 21:28 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm,fork: introduce MADV_WIPEONFORK riel
2017-08-15 22:51   ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2017-08-16  2:18     ` Rik van Riel
2017-08-17 22:50       ` Andrew Morton
2017-08-18 16:28         ` Rik van Riel
2017-08-18 18:15           ` Andrew Morton
2017-08-19  0:02             ` Rik van Riel
2017-08-18 17:25   ` Mike Kravetz
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-08-11 19:19 [PATCH v3 0/2] mm,fork,security: " riel
2017-08-11 19:19 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm,fork: " riel
2017-08-11 19:42   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-11 20:27     ` Rik van Riel
2017-08-11 20:50       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-06 14:04 [PATCH v2 0/2] mm,fork,security: " riel
2017-08-06 14:04 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm,fork: " riel
2017-08-10 15:23   ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-11 15:23     ` Rik van Riel
2017-08-11 16:36       ` Mike Kravetz
2017-08-11 16:59         ` Rik van Riel
2017-08-11 17:07           ` Mike Kravetz
2017-08-04 19:07 [PATCH 0/2] mm,fork,security: " riel
2017-08-04 19:07 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm,fork: " riel
2017-08-04 23:09   ` Mike Kravetz
2017-08-05 14:05     ` Rik van Riel
2017-08-14 15:45   ` kbuild test robot
2017-08-04 19:01 [PATCH 0/2] mm,fork: MADV_WIPEONFORK - an empty VMA in the child riel
2017-08-04 19:01 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm,fork: introduce MADV_WIPEONFORK riel
2017-08-05 18:46   ` kbuild test robot
2017-08-05 19:33   ` kbuild test robot

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20170815155114.ff9f4164eed28bf02db48fbb@linux-foundation.org \
    --to=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=colm@allcosts.net \
    --cc=dave.hansen@intel.com \
    --cc=fweimer@redhat.com \
    --cc=keescook@chromium.org \
    --cc=kirill@shutemov.name \
    --cc=linux-api@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-mm@kvack.org \
    --cc=luto@amacapital.net \
    --cc=mhocko@kernel.org \
    --cc=mike.kravetz@oracle.com \
    --cc=mingo@kernel.org \
    --cc=riel@redhat.com \
    --cc=torvalds@linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=wad@chromium.org \
    --cc=willy@infradead.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).