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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>,
	Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] treewide: remove GFP_TEMPORARY allocation flag
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 08:35:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170825063545.GA25498@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170823175709.GA22743@xo-6d-61-c0.localdomain>

On Wed 23-08-17 19:57:09, Pavel Machek wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> > From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
> > 
> > GFP_TEMPORARY has been introduced by e12ba74d8ff3 ("Group short-lived
> > and reclaimable kernel allocations") along with __GFP_RECLAIMABLE. It's
> > primary motivation was to allow users to tell that an allocation is
> > short lived and so the allocator can try to place such allocations close
> > together and prevent long term fragmentation. As much as this sounds
> > like a reasonable semantic it becomes much less clear when to use the
> > highlevel GFP_TEMPORARY allocation flag. How long is temporary? Can
> > the context holding that memory sleep? Can it take locks? It seems
> > there is no good answer for those questions.
> > 
> > The current implementation of GFP_TEMPORARY is basically
> > GFP_KERNEL | __GFP_RECLAIMABLE which in itself is tricky because
> > basically none of the existing caller provide a way to reclaim the
> > allocated memory. So this is rather misleading and hard to evaluate for
> > any benefits.
> > 
> > I have checked some random users and none of them has added the flag
> > with a specific justification. I suspect most of them just copied from
> > other existing users and others just thought it might be a good idea
> > to use without any measuring. This suggests that GFP_TEMPORARY just
> > motivates for cargo cult usage without any reasoning.
> > 
> > I believe that our gfp flags are quite complex already and especially
> > those with highlevel semantic should be clearly defined to prevent from
> > confusion and abuse. Therefore I propose dropping GFP_TEMPORARY and
> > replace all existing users to simply use GFP_KERNEL. Please note that
> > SLAB users with shrinkers will still get __GFP_RECLAIMABLE heuristic
> > and so they will be placed properly for memory fragmentation prevention.
> > 
> > I can see reasons we might want some gfp flag to reflect shorterm
> > allocations but I propose starting from a clear semantic definition and
> > only then add users with proper justification.
> 
> Dunno. < 1msec probably is temporary, 1 hour probably is not. If it causes
> problems, can you just #define GFP_TEMPORARY GFP_KERNEL ? Treewide replace,
> and then starting again goes not look attractive to me.

I do not think we want a highlevel GFP_TEMPORARY without any meaning.
This just supports spreading the flag usage without a clear semantic
and it will lead to even bigger mess. Once we can actually define what
the flag means we can also add its users based on that new semantic.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-25  6:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-28  9:19 [RFC PATCH] treewide: remove GFP_TEMPORARY allocation flag Michal Hocko
2017-07-28  9:52 ` Mel Gorman
2017-07-28 10:27   ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-28 10:59     ` Mel Gorman
2017-07-28 13:15 ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-08-23 17:57 ` Pavel Machek
2017-08-25  6:35   ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2017-08-25  7:28     ` Pavel Machek
2017-08-25  8:04       ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-25 21:39         ` Pavel Machek
2017-08-26  4:11           ` NeilBrown
2017-08-28 12:36             ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-31  9:07               ` Pavel Machek
2017-08-31  9:29                 ` Mel Gorman
2017-08-28 12:35           ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-31  9:10             ` Pavel Machek

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