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From: Tycho Andersen <tycho@tycho.ws>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
	Marco Benatto <marco.antonio.780@gmail.com>,
	Juerg Haefliger <juerg.haefliger@canonical.com>,
	x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v6 03/11] mm, x86: Add support for eXclusive Page Frame Ownership (XPFO)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 08:20:57 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171115162057.iyufe2vg34d6fhhd@cisco> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171115145835.GB319@bombadil.infradead.org>

On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 06:58:35AM -0800, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:00:20PM -0800, Dave Hansen wrote:
> > On 11/14/2017 07:44 PM, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > > We don't need to kmap in order to access MOVABLE allocations.  kmap is
> > > only needed for HIGHMEM allocations.  So there's nothing wrong with ext4
> > > or set_bh_page().
> > 
> > Yeah, it's definitely not _buggy_.
> > 
> > Although, I do wonder what we should do about these for XPFO.  Should we
> > just stick a kmap() in there and comment it?  What we really need is a
> > mechanism to say "use this as a kernel page" and "stop using this as a
> > kernel page".  kmap() does that... kinda.  It's not a perfect fit, but
> > it's pretty close.
> 
> It'd be kind of funny if getting XPFO working better means improving
> how well Linux runs on 32-bit machines with HIGHMEM.  I think there's
> always going to be interest in those -- ARM developed 36 bit physmem
> before biting the bullet and going to arm64.  Maybe OpenRISC will do
> that next ;-)

Oh, sorry, I didn't realize that this wasn't a bug. In any case, this
seems like sort of an uphill battle -- lots of places are going to do
stuff like this since it's legal, adding code to work around it just
for XPFO seems like a lot of burden on the kernel. (Of course, I'm
open to convincing :)

How common are these MOVABLE allocations that the kernel does? What if
we did some hybrid approach, where we re-map the lists based on
MOVABLE/UNMOVABLE, but then check the actual GFP flags on allocation
to see if they match what we set when populating the free list, and
re-map accordingly if they don't.

Or is there some other way?

Cheers,

Tycho

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-15 16:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-07 17:35 [PATCH v6 00/11] Add support for eXclusive Page Frame Ownership Tycho Andersen
2017-09-07 17:35 ` [PATCH v6 01/11] mm: add MAP_HUGETLB support to vm_mmap Tycho Andersen
2017-09-08  7:42   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-09-07 17:36 ` [PATCH v6 02/11] x86: always set IF before oopsing from page fault Tycho Andersen
2017-09-07 17:36 ` [PATCH v6 03/11] mm, x86: Add support for eXclusive Page Frame Ownership (XPFO) Tycho Andersen
2017-09-07 18:33   ` Ralph Campbell
2017-09-07 18:50     ` Tycho Andersen
2017-09-08  7:51   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-09-08 14:58     ` Tycho Andersen
2017-09-09 15:35   ` Laura Abbott
2017-09-11 15:03     ` Tycho Andersen
2017-09-11  7:24   ` Yisheng Xie
2017-09-11 14:50     ` Tycho Andersen
2017-09-11 16:03       ` Juerg Haefliger
2017-09-11 16:59         ` Tycho Andersen
2017-09-12  8:05         ` Yisheng Xie
2017-09-12 14:36           ` Tycho Andersen
2017-09-12 18:13             ` Tycho Andersen
2017-09-14  6:15               ` Yisheng Xie
2017-09-20 23:46               ` Dave Hansen
2017-09-21  0:02                 ` Tycho Andersen
2017-09-21  0:04                   ` Dave Hansen
2017-09-11 18:32   ` Tycho Andersen
2017-09-11 21:54     ` Marco Benatto
2017-09-20 15:48   ` Dave Hansen
2017-09-20 22:34     ` Tycho Andersen
2017-09-20 23:21       ` Dave Hansen
2017-09-21  0:09         ` Tycho Andersen
2017-09-21  0:27           ` Dave Hansen
2017-09-21  1:37             ` Tycho Andersen
2017-11-10  1:09             ` Tycho Andersen
2017-11-13 22:20               ` Dave Hansen
2017-11-13 22:46                 ` Dave Hansen
2017-11-15  0:33                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Tycho Andersen
2017-11-15  0:37                     ` Dave Hansen
2017-11-15  0:42                       ` Tycho Andersen
2017-11-15  3:44                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-11-15  7:00                     ` Dave Hansen
2017-11-15 14:58                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-11-15 16:20                         ` Tycho Andersen [this message]
2017-11-15 21:34                           ` [kernel-hardening] " Matthew Wilcox
2017-09-21  0:03   ` Dave Hansen
2017-09-21  0:28   ` Dave Hansen
2017-09-21  1:04     ` Tycho Andersen
2017-09-07 17:36 ` [PATCH v6 04/11] swiotlb: Map the buffer if it was unmapped by XPFO Tycho Andersen
2017-09-07 18:10   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-09-07 18:44     ` Tycho Andersen
2017-09-08  7:13       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-09-07 17:36 ` [PATCH v6 05/11] arm64/mm: Add support for XPFO Tycho Andersen
2017-09-08  7:53   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-09-08 17:24     ` Tycho Andersen
2017-09-14 10:41       ` Julien Grall
2017-09-14 11:29         ` Juergen Gross
2017-09-14 18:22   ` [kernel-hardening] " Mark Rutland
2017-09-18 21:27     ` Tycho Andersen
2017-09-07 17:36 ` [PATCH v6 06/11] xpfo: add primitives for mapping underlying memory Tycho Andersen
2017-09-07 17:36 ` [PATCH v6 07/11] arm64/mm, xpfo: temporarily map dcache regions Tycho Andersen
2017-09-14 18:25   ` Mark Rutland
2017-09-18 21:29     ` Tycho Andersen
2017-09-07 17:36 ` [PATCH v6 08/11] arm64/mm: Add support for XPFO to swiotlb Tycho Andersen
2017-09-07 17:36 ` [PATCH v6 09/11] arm64/mm: disable section/contiguous mappings if XPFO is enabled Tycho Andersen
2017-09-09 15:38   ` Laura Abbott
2017-09-07 17:36 ` [PATCH v6 10/11] mm: add a user_virt_to_phys symbol Tycho Andersen
2017-09-08  7:55   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-09-08 15:44     ` Kees Cook
2017-09-11  7:36       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-09-14 18:34   ` [kernel-hardening] " Mark Rutland
2017-09-18 20:56     ` Tycho Andersen
2017-09-07 17:36 ` [PATCH v6 11/11] lkdtm: Add test for XPFO Tycho Andersen
2017-09-07 19:08   ` Kees Cook
2017-09-10  0:57   ` kbuild test robot
2017-09-11 10:34 ` [PATCH v6 00/11] Add support for eXclusive Page Frame Ownership Yisheng Xie
2017-09-11 15:02   ` Tycho Andersen
2017-09-12  7:07     ` Yisheng Xie
2017-09-12  7:40       ` Juerg Haefliger
2017-09-12  8:11         ` Yisheng Xie

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