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From: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>,
	Denys Vlasenko <dvlasenk@redhat.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Daniel Gruss <daniel.gruss@iaik.tugraz.at>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Kees Cook <keescook@google.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	michael.schwarz@iaik.tugraz.at, moritz.lipp@iaik.tugraz.at,
	richard.fellner@student.tugraz.at
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/5] x86/mm/kaiser: Add a banner
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 23:03:22 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171128050322.f2mgrapew3illscm@treble> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrV-vk-49HkOXi6EW0zxzDrCj2DM4N2i33AuX-vGNb0SHg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 07:36:40PM -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> > So we can more easily see if the shiny got enabled.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Peter Zijlstra (Intel) <peterz@infradead.org>
> > ---
> >  arch/x86/mm/kaiser.c |    2 ++
> >  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+)
> >
> > --- a/arch/x86/mm/kaiser.c
> > +++ b/arch/x86/mm/kaiser.c
> > @@ -425,6 +425,8 @@ void __init kaiser_init(void)
> >         if (!kaiser_enabled)
> >                 return;
> >
> > +       printk("All your KAISER are belong to us\n");
> > +
> 
> All your incomprehensible academic names are belong to us.
> 
> On a serious note, can we please banish the name KAISER from all the
> user-facing bits?  No one should be setting a boot option that has a
> name based on an academic project called "Kernel Address Isolation to
> have Side-channels Efficiently Removed".  We're not efficiently
> removing side channels.  The side channels are still very much there.
> Heck, the series as currently presented doesn't even rescue kASLR.  It
> could*, if we were to finish the work that I mostly started and
> completely banish all the normal kernel mappings from the shadow**
> tables.  We're rather inefficiently (and partially!) mitigating the
> fact that certain CPU designers have had their heads up their
> collective arses for *years* and have failed to pay attention to
> numerous academic papers documenting that fact.
> 
> Let's call the user facing bits "separate user pagetables".  If we
> want to make it conditioned on a future cpu cap called
> X86_BUG_REALLY_DUMB_SIDE_CHANNELS, great, assuming a better CPU ever
> shows up.  But please let's not make users look up WTF "KAISER" means.
> 
> * No one ever documented the %*!& side channels AFAIK, so everything
> we're talking about here is mostly speculation.
> 
> ** The word "shadow" needs to die, too.  I know what shadow page
> tables are, and they have *nothing* to do with KAISER.

+1.  Somebody please rename KAISER and shadow page tables for more
clarity.

To fix KASLR I think we need to move (at least parts of) .entry.text,
.irqentry.text, and .entry_trampoline into their own fixed section(s).
Is there anything else missing?

-- 
Josh

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-28  5:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-27 22:31 [PATCH 0/5] KAISER fixlets Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-27 22:31 ` [PATCH 1/5] x86/mm/kaiser: Alternative ESPFIX Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-27 22:39   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-27 22:41   ` Dave Hansen
2017-11-27 22:31 ` [PATCH 2/5] x86/mm/kaiser: Add a banner Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-28  3:36   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-11-28  5:03     ` Josh Poimboeuf [this message]
2017-11-28  5:23       ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-11-28 12:54     ` Borislav Petkov
2017-11-27 22:31 ` [PATCH 3/5] x86/mm/kaiser: Revert ("Map the entry stack variables") Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-27 22:31 ` [PATCH 4/5] x86/mm/kaiser: Remove superfluous SWITCH_TO_KERNEL Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-27 22:47   ` Dave Hansen
2017-11-27 22:53     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-27 22:31 ` [PATCH 5/5] x86/mm/kaiser: Disable the SYSCALL-64 trampoline along with KAISER Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-27 22:53   ` Dave Hansen

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