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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
Cc: Christopher Lameter <cl@linux.com>, Mel Gorman <mel@skynet.ie>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	Thomas Schoebel-Theuer <tst@schoebel-theuer.de>,
	andi@firstfloor.org, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>, Guy Shattah <sguy@mellanox.com>,
	Anshuman Khandual <khandual@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Michal Nazarewicz <mina86@mina86.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	David Nellans <dnellans@nvidia.com>,
	Laura Abbott <labbott@redhat.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 1/2] Protect larger order pages from breaking up
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 13:43:53 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180216214353.GA32655@bombadil.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7fcd53ab-ba06-f80e-6cb7-73e87bcbdd20@intel.com>

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 01:08:11PM -0800, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On 02/16/2018 12:15 PM, Christopher Lameter wrote:
> >> This has the potential to be really confusing to apps.  If this memory
> >> is now not available to normal apps, they might plow into the invisible
> >> memory limits and get into nasty reclaim scenarios.
> >> Shouldn't this subtract the memory for MemFree and friends?
> > Ok certainly we could do that. But on the other hand the memory is
> > available if those subsystems ask for the right order. Its not clear to me
> > what the right way of handling this is. Right now it adds the reserved
> > pages to the watermarks. But then under some circumstances the memory is
> > available. What is the best solution here?
> 
> There's definitely no perfect solution.
> 
> But, in general, I think we should cater to the dumbest users.  Folks
> doing higher-order allocations are not that.  I say we make the picture
> the most clear for the traditional 4k users.

Your way might be confusing -- if there's a system which is under varying
amounts of jumboframe load and all the 16k pages get gobbled up by the
ethernet driver, MemFree won't change at all, for example.

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-02-16 21:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-16 16:01 [RFC 0/2] Larger Order Protection V1 Christoph Lameter
2018-02-16 16:01 ` [RFC 1/2] Protect larger order pages from breaking up Christoph Lameter
2018-02-16 17:03   ` Andi Kleen
2018-02-16 18:25     ` Christopher Lameter
2018-02-16 18:02   ` Randy Dunlap
2018-02-17 16:07     ` Mike Rapoprt
2018-02-16 18:59   ` Mike Kravetz
2018-02-16 20:13     ` Christopher Lameter
2018-02-18  9:00       ` Guy Shattah
2018-02-16 19:01   ` Dave Hansen
2018-02-16 20:15     ` Christopher Lameter
2018-02-16 21:08       ` Dave Hansen
2018-02-16 21:43         ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2018-02-16 21:47           ` Dave Hansen
2018-02-19 10:19   ` Mel Gorman
2018-02-19 14:42     ` Michal Hocko
2018-02-19 15:09     ` Christopher Lameter
2018-02-22 21:19     ` Thomas Schoebel-Theuer
2018-02-22 21:53       ` Zi Yan
2018-02-23  2:01         ` Christopher Lameter
2018-02-23  2:16           ` Zi Yan
2018-02-23  2:45             ` Christopher Lameter
2018-02-23  9:59       ` Mel Gorman
2018-02-16 16:01 ` [RFC 2/2] Page order diagnostics Christoph Lameter
2018-02-17 21:17   ` Pavel Machek
2018-02-19 14:54     ` Christopher Lameter
2018-02-16 18:27 ` [RFC 0/2] Larger Order Protection V1 Christopher Lameter

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