From: Dave Young <dyoung@redhat.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: "Michal Hocko" <mhocko@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 00/10] mm: online/offline 4MB chunks controlled by device driver
Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 16:56:11 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180524085610.GA5467@dhcp-128-65.nay.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <14d79dad-ad47-f090-2ec0-c5daf87ac529@redhat.com>
Hi,
[snip]
> >
> >> For kdump and onlining/offlining code, we
> >> have to mark pages as offline before a new segment is visible to the system
> >> (e.g. as these pages might not be backed by real memory in the hypervisor).
> >
> > Please expand on the kdump part. That is really confusing because
> > hotplug should simply not depend on kdump at all. Moreover why don't you
> > simply mark those pages reserved and pull them out from the page
> > allocator?
>
> 1. "hotplug should simply not depend on kdump at all"
>
> In theory yes. In the current state we already have to trigger kdump to
> reload whenever we add/remove a memory block.
>
>
> 2. kdump part
>
> Whenever we offline a page and tell the hypervisor about it ("unplug"),
> we should not assume that we can read that page again. Now, if dumping
> tools assume they can read all memory that is offline, we are in trouble.
>
> It is the same thing as we already have with Pg_hwpoison. Just a
> different meaning - "don't touch this page, it is offline" compared to
> "don't touch this page, hw is broken".
Does that means in case an offline no kdump reload as mentioned in 1)?
If we have the offline event and reload kdump, I assume the memory state
is refreshed so kdump will not read the memory offlined, am I missing
something?
>
> Balloon drivers solve this problem by always allowing to read unplugged
> memory. In virtio-mem, this cannot and should even not be guaranteed.
>
Hmm, that sounds a bug..
> And what we have to do to make this work is actually pretty simple: Just
> like Pg_hwpoison, track per page if it is online and provide this
> information to kdump.
>
>
Thanks
Dave
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-05-24 8:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-05-23 15:11 [PATCH v1 00/10] mm: online/offline 4MB chunks controlled by device driver David Hildenbrand
2018-05-23 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 01/10] mm: introduce and use PageOffline() David Hildenbrand
2018-05-23 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 02/10] mm/page_ext.c: support online/offline of memory < section size David Hildenbrand
2018-05-23 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 03/10] kasan: prepare for online/offline of different start/size David Hildenbrand
2018-05-23 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 04/10] kdump: include PAGE_OFFLINE_MAPCOUNT_VALUE in VMCOREINFO David Hildenbrand
2018-05-23 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 05/10] mm/memory_hotplug: limit offline_pages() to sizes we can actually handle David Hildenbrand
2018-05-23 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 06/10] mm/memory_hotplug: onlining pages can only fail due to notifiers David Hildenbrand
2018-05-23 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 07/10] mm/memory_hotplug: print only with DEBUG_VM in online/offline_pages() David Hildenbrand
2018-05-23 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 08/10] mm/memory_hotplug: allow to control onlining/offlining of memory by a driver David Hildenbrand
2018-05-23 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 09/10] mm/memory_hotplug: teach offline_pages() to not try forever David Hildenbrand
2018-05-24 14:39 ` Michal Hocko
2018-05-24 20:36 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-05-23 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 10/10] mm/memory_hotplug: allow online/offline memory by a kernel module David Hildenbrand
2018-05-23 19:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-24 5:59 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-05-24 7:53 ` [PATCH v1 00/10] mm: online/offline 4MB chunks controlled by device driver Michal Hocko
2018-05-24 8:31 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-05-24 8:56 ` Dave Young [this message]
2018-05-24 9:14 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-05-28 8:28 ` Dave Young
2018-05-28 10:03 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-05-24 9:31 ` Michal Hocko
2018-05-24 10:45 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-05-24 12:03 ` Michal Hocko
2018-05-24 14:04 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-05-24 14:22 ` Michal Hocko
2018-05-24 21:07 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-06-11 11:53 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-06-11 11:56 ` Michal Hocko
2018-06-11 12:33 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-07-16 19:48 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-07-16 20:05 ` Michal Hocko
2018-07-18 9:56 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-07-18 11:23 ` Michal Hocko
2018-07-18 13:19 ` Michal Hocko
2018-07-18 13:39 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-07-18 13:43 ` Michal Hocko
2018-07-18 13:47 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-07-18 13:56 ` Michal Hocko
2018-05-25 15:08 ` David Hildenbrand
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