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From: Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Adin Scannell <ascannell@google.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>, David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] mm/tlb: Remove tlb_remove_table() non-concurrent condition
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 14:16:42 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180823141642.38b53175@roar.ozlabs.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFyY4fG8Hhds4ykSm5vUMdxbLdB7mYmC2pOPk8UKBXtpjA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 20:35:16 -0700
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 8:31 PM Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > So that leaves speculative operations. I don't see where the problem is
> > with those either -- this shortcut needs to ensure there are no other
> > *non speculative* operations. mm_users is correct for that.  
> 
> No. Because mm_users doesn't contain any lazy tlb users.
> 
> And yes, those lazy tlbs are all kernel threads, but they can still
> speculatively load user addresses.

So?

If the arch does not shoot those all down after the user page tables
are removed then it's buggy regardless of this short cut.

The only real problem I could see would be if a page walk cache still
points to the freed table, then the table gets re-allocated and used
elsewhere, and meanwhile a speculative access tries to load an entry
from the page that is an invalid form of page table that might cause
a machine check or something. That would be (u)arch specific, but if
that's what we're concerned with here it's a different issue and needs
to be documented as such.

I'll have a look at powerpc and see if we can cope with it. If so, I'll
make it an arch specific opt-in short cut.

Thanks,
Nick

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-08-23  4:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-22 15:30 [PATCH 0/4] x86: TLB invalidate fixes Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-22 15:30 ` [PATCH 1/4] x86/mm/tlb: Revert the recent lazy TLB patches Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-22 21:37   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-22 22:11     ` Rik van Riel
2018-08-22 15:30 ` [PATCH 2/4] mm/tlb: Remove tlb_remove_table() non-concurrent condition Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-23  3:31   ` Nicholas Piggin
2018-08-23  3:35     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-23  3:44       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-23  4:16       ` Nicholas Piggin [this message]
2018-08-23  4:54         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-23  5:15           ` Nicholas Piggin
2018-08-24  8:42           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-23 13:40   ` Will Deacon
2018-08-22 15:30 ` [PATCH 3/4] mm/tlb, x86/mm: Support invalidating TLB caches for RCU_TABLE_FREE Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-22 15:55   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-23  3:45     ` Nicholas Piggin
2018-08-23  3:59       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-23  4:33         ` Nicholas Piggin
2018-08-23  5:03           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-23  5:58             ` Nicholas Piggin
2018-08-23  4:54         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-23  5:11           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-23  5:20             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-23  6:48               ` Martin Schwidefsky
2018-08-23  5:21             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-23  6:15               ` Nicholas Piggin
2018-08-23 13:39             ` Will Deacon
2018-08-24  8:47               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-24 11:32                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-24 11:39                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-27  5:00                     ` Nicholas Piggin
2018-08-27  7:47                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-27  8:04                         ` Nicholas Piggin
2018-08-27  8:09                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-27  8:20                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-27  8:54                               ` Nicholas Piggin
2018-08-27  9:02                             ` Nicholas Piggin
2018-08-27 22:13                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-27 13:36                           ` Rik van Riel
2018-08-27 14:29                             ` Nicholas Piggin
2018-08-27  8:57                         ` removig ia64, was: " Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-27 11:28                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-27 11:45                           ` Jason Duerstock
2018-08-27 11:00                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-30  0:13                           ` Vineet Gupta
2018-08-30 10:23                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-24 17:26                 ` Nadav Amit
2018-08-24 18:04                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-24 18:35                     ` TLB flushes on fixmap changes Nadav Amit
2018-08-24 19:31                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-24 20:24                         ` Nadav Amit
2018-08-25  0:58                           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-25  2:16                             ` Nadav Amit
2018-08-25  2:29                             ` nadav.amit
2018-08-25  4:23                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-08-26  2:23                                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2018-08-26  4:21                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-08-26  4:43                                     ` Kees Cook
2018-08-26  5:53                                       ` Nadav Amit
2018-08-26 14:20                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-08-26 16:47                                         ` Kees Cook
2018-08-26 17:25                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-08-26 20:15                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-08-26 22:03                                               ` Kees Cook
2018-08-26 22:15                                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-08-26 22:29                                                 ` Jann Horn
2018-08-26  9:09                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-27  3:03                                       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2018-08-27  3:26                                         ` Nadav Amit
2018-08-27  8:05                                           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2018-08-27 17:34                                             ` Nadav Amit
2018-08-27 18:45                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-08-27 18:54                                                 ` Nadav Amit
2018-08-27 18:58                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-08-27 19:10                                                     ` Nadav Amit
2018-08-27 19:43                                                       ` Nadav Amit
2018-08-27 19:58                                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-08-27 20:16                                                           ` Nadav Amit
2018-08-27 21:55                                                             ` Nadav Amit
2018-08-27 22:32                                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-08-27 22:54                                                                 ` Nadav Amit
2018-08-27 23:01                                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-08-28  8:49                                                                     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2018-08-28 17:33                                                                       ` Nadav Amit
2018-08-27  8:13                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-27  9:39                                           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2018-08-27  9:55                                           ` Jann Horn
2018-08-26 22:48                                     ` Jann Horn
2018-08-24  8:35           ` [PATCH 3/4] mm/tlb, x86/mm: Support invalidating TLB caches for RCU_TABLE_FREE Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-24 13:13             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-24 13:14               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-24 15:49               ` Will Deacon
2018-08-23 23:31     ` Will Deacon
2018-08-22 21:34   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-23  8:46   ` Nicholas Piggin
2018-08-22 15:30 ` [PATCH 4/4] x86/mm: Only use tlb_remove_table() for paravirt Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-22 22:12   ` Eduardo Valentin

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