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From: Chris Down <chris@chrisdown.name>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@fb.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm, memcg: reclaim more aggressively before high allocator throttling
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 11:08:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200529100858.GA98458@chrisdown.name> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200529073118.GE4406@dhcp22.suse.cz>

Michal Hocko writes:
>> > > task->memcg_nr_pages_over_high is not vague, it's a best-effort
>> > > mechanism to distribute fairness. It's the current task's share of the
>> > > cgroup's overage, and it allows us in the majority of situations to
>> > > distribute reclaim work and sleeps in proportion to how much the task
>> > > is actually at fault.
>> >
>> > Agreed. But this stops being the case as soon as the reclaim target has
>> > been reached and new reclaim attempts are enforced because the memcg is
>> > still above the high limit. Because then you have a completely different
>> > reclaim target - get down to the limit. This would be especially visible
>> > with a large memcg_nr_pages_over_high which could even lead to an over
>> > reclaim.
>>
>> We actually over reclaim even before this patch -- this patch doesn't bring
>> much new in that regard.
>>
>> Tracing try_to_free_pages for a cgroup at the memory.high threshold shows
>> that before this change, we sometimes even reclaim on the order of twice the
>> number of pages requested. For example, I see cases where we requested 1000
>> pages to be reclaimed, but end up reclaiming 2000 in a single reclaim
>> attempt.
>
>This is interesting and worth looking into. I am aware that we can
>reclaim potentially much more pages during the icache reclaim and that
>there was a heated discussion without any fix merged in the end IIRC.
>Do you have any details?

Sure, we can look into this more, but let's do it separately from this patch -- 
I don't see that its merging should be contingent on that discussion :-)


  reply	other threads:[~2020-05-29 10:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-20 14:37 [PATCH] mm, memcg: reclaim more aggressively before high allocator throttling Chris Down
2020-05-20 16:07 ` Michal Hocko
2020-05-20 16:51   ` Johannes Weiner
2020-05-20 17:04     ` Michal Hocko
2020-05-20 17:51       ` Johannes Weiner
2020-05-21  7:32         ` Michal Hocko
2020-05-21 13:51           ` Johannes Weiner
2020-05-21 14:22             ` Johannes Weiner
2020-05-21 14:35             ` Michal Hocko
2020-05-21 15:02               ` Chris Down
2020-05-21 16:38               ` Johannes Weiner
2020-05-21 17:37                 ` Michal Hocko
2020-05-21 18:45                   ` Johannes Weiner
2020-05-28 16:31                     ` Michal Hocko
2020-05-28 16:48                       ` Chris Down
2020-05-29  7:31                         ` Michal Hocko
2020-05-29 10:08                           ` Chris Down [this message]
2020-05-29 10:14                             ` Michal Hocko
2020-05-28 20:11                       ` Johannes Weiner
2020-05-20 20:26   ` Chris Down
2020-05-21  7:19     ` Michal Hocko
2020-05-21 11:27       ` Chris Down
2020-05-21 12:04         ` Michal Hocko
2020-05-21 12:23           ` Chris Down
2020-05-21 12:24             ` Chris Down
2020-05-21 12:37             ` Michal Hocko
2020-05-21 12:57               ` Chris Down
2020-05-21 13:05                 ` Chris Down
2020-05-21 13:28                   ` Michal Hocko
2020-05-21 13:21                 ` Michal Hocko
2020-05-21 13:41                   ` Chris Down
2020-05-21 13:58                     ` Michal Hocko
2020-05-21 14:22                       ` Chris Down
2020-05-21 12:28         ` Michal Hocko
2020-05-28 18:02 ` Shakeel Butt
2020-05-28 19:48   ` Chris Down
2020-05-28 20:29     ` Johannes Weiner
2020-05-28 21:02       ` Shakeel Butt
2020-05-28 21:14       ` Chris Down
2020-05-29  7:25       ` Michal Hocko

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