From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
Cc: Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>, paulmck <paulmck@kernel.org>,
Anton Blanchard <anton@ozlabs.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, x86 <x86@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 4/7] x86: use exit_lazy_tlb rather than membarrier_mm_sync_core_before_usermode
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 13:44:00 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200717174400.GA1156312@rowland.harvard.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <12700909.18968.1595002969773.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com>
On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 12:22:49PM -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> ----- On Jul 17, 2020, at 12:11 PM, Alan Stern stern@rowland.harvard.edu wrote:
>
> >> > I agree with Nick: A memory barrier is needed somewhere between the
> >> > assignment at 6 and the return to user mode at 8. Otherwise you end up
> >> > with the Store Buffer pattern having a memory barrier on only one side,
> >> > and it is well known that this arrangement does not guarantee any
> >> > ordering.
> >>
> >> Yes, I see this now. I'm still trying to wrap my head around why the memory
> >> barrier at the end of membarrier() needs to be paired with a scheduler
> >> barrier though.
> >
> > The memory barrier at the end of membarrier() on CPU0 is necessary in
> > order to enforce the guarantee that any writes occurring on CPU1 before
> > the membarrier() is executed will be visible to any code executing on
> > CPU0 after the membarrier(). Ignoring the kthread issue, we can have:
> >
> > CPU0 CPU1
> > x = 1
> > barrier()
> > y = 1
> > r2 = y
> > membarrier():
> > a: smp_mb()
> > b: send IPI IPI-induced mb
> > c: smp_mb()
> > r1 = x
> >
> > The writes to x and y are unordered by the hardware, so it's possible to
> > have r2 = 1 even though the write to x doesn't execute until b. If the
> > memory barrier at c is omitted then "r1 = x" can be reordered before b
> > (although not before a), so we get r1 = 0. This violates the guarantee
> > that membarrier() is supposed to provide.
> >
> > The timing of the memory barrier at c has to ensure that it executes
> > after the IPI-induced memory barrier on CPU1. If it happened before
> > then we could still end up with r1 = 0. That's why the pairing matters.
> >
> > I hope this helps your head get properly wrapped. :-)
>
> It does help a bit! ;-)
>
> This explains this part of the comment near the smp_mb at the end of membarrier:
>
> * Memory barrier on the caller thread _after_ we finished
> * waiting for the last IPI. [...]
>
> However, it does not explain why it needs to be paired with a barrier in the
> scheduler, clearly for the case where the IPI is skipped. I wonder whether this part
> of the comment is factually correct:
>
> * [...] Matches memory barriers around rq->curr modification in scheduler.
The reasoning is pretty much the same as above:
CPU0 CPU1
x = 1
barrier()
y = 1
r2 = y
membarrier():
a: smp_mb()
switch to kthread (includes mb)
b: read rq->curr == kthread
switch to user (includes mb)
c: smp_mb()
r1 = x
Once again, it is possible that x = 1 doesn't become visible to CPU0
until shortly before b. But if c is omitted then "r1 = x" can be
reordered before b (to any time after a), so we can have r1 = 0.
Here the timing requirement is that c executes after the first memory
barrier on CPU1 -- which is one of the ones around the rq->curr
modification. (In fact, in this scenario CPU1's switch back to the user
process is irrelevant.)
Alan Stern
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-07-17 17:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-07-10 1:56 [RFC PATCH 0/7] mmu context cleanup, lazy tlb cleanup, Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-10 1:56 ` [RFC PATCH 1/7] asm-generic: add generic MMU versions of mmu context functions Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-10 1:56 ` [RFC PATCH 2/7] arch: use asm-generic mmu context for no-op implementations Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-10 1:56 ` [RFC PATCH 3/7] mm: introduce exit_lazy_tlb Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-10 1:56 ` [RFC PATCH 4/7] x86: use exit_lazy_tlb rather than membarrier_mm_sync_core_before_usermode Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-10 9:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-07-10 14:02 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-10 17:04 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-13 4:45 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-13 13:47 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-13 14:13 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-13 15:48 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-13 16:37 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-16 4:15 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-16 4:42 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-16 15:46 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-16 16:03 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-16 18:58 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-16 21:24 ` Alan Stern
2020-07-17 13:39 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-17 14:51 ` Alan Stern
2020-07-17 15:39 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-17 16:11 ` Alan Stern
2020-07-17 16:22 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-17 17:44 ` Alan Stern [this message]
2020-07-17 17:52 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-17 0:00 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-16 5:18 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-16 6:06 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-16 8:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-07-16 10:03 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-16 11:00 ` peterz
2020-07-16 15:34 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-16 23:26 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-17 13:42 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-20 3:03 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-20 16:46 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-21 10:04 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-21 13:11 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-21 14:30 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-21 15:06 ` peterz
2020-07-21 15:15 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-21 15:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-07-21 15:22 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-10 1:56 ` [RFC PATCH 5/7] lazy tlb: introduce lazy mm refcount helper functions Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-10 9:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-07-10 1:56 ` [RFC PATCH 6/7] lazy tlb: allow lazy tlb mm switching to be configurable Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-10 1:56 ` [RFC PATCH 7/7] lazy tlb: shoot lazies, a non-refcounting lazy tlb option Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-10 9:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-07-13 4:58 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-13 15:59 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-13 16:48 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-13 18:18 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-14 5:04 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-14 6:31 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-14 12:46 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-14 13:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-07-16 2:26 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-16 2:35 ` Nicholas Piggin
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