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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: Daniel Jordan <daniel.m.jordan@oracle.com>
Cc: Pavel Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
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	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>,
	Tyler Hicks <tyhicks@linux.microsoft.com>,
	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	mike.kravetz@oracle.com, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/6] mm/gup: migrate pinned pages out of movable zone
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 09:24:35 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201208132435.GN5487@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k0ttrp0v.fsf@oracle.com>

On Mon, Dec 07, 2020 at 09:48:48PM -0500, Daniel Jordan wrote:
> Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca> writes:
> > On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 03:05:46PM -0500, Daniel Jordan wrote:
> >> Well Alex can correct me, but I went digging and a comment from the
> >> first type1 vfio commit says the iommu API didn't promise to unmap
> >> subpages of previous mappings, so doing page at a time gave flexibility
> >> at the cost of inefficiency.
> >
> > iommu restrictions are not related to with gup. vfio needs to get the
> > page list from the page tables as efficiently as possible, then you
> > break it up into what you want to feed into the IOMMU how the iommu
> > wants.
> >
> > vfio must maintain a page list to call unpin_user_pages() anyhow, so
> 
> It does in some cases but not others, namely the expensive
> VFIO_IOMMU_MAP_DMA/UNMAP_DMA path where the iommu page tables are used
> to find the pfns when unpinning.

Oh, I see.. Well, that is still possible, but vfio really needs to
batch operations, eg call pin_user_pages() with some larger buffer and
store those into the iommu and then reverse this to build up
contiguous runs of pages to unpin

> I don't see why vfio couldn't do as you say, though, and the worst case
> memory overhead of using scatterlist to remember the pfns of a 300g VM
> backed by huge but physically discontiguous pages is only a few meg, not
> bad at all.

Yes, but 0 is still better.. I would start by focusing on batching
pin_user_pages.

Jason


  reply	other threads:[~2020-12-08 13:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-02  5:23 [PATCH 0/6] prohibit pinning pages in ZONE_MOVABLE Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-02  5:23 ` [PATCH 1/6] mm/gup: perform check_dax_vmas only when FS_DAX is enabled Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-02 16:22   ` Ira Weiny
2020-12-02 18:15     ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-02 16:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-02 18:16     ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-03  7:59   ` John Hubbard
2020-12-03 14:52     ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-02  5:23 ` [PATCH 2/6] mm/gup: don't pin migrated cma pages in movable zone Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-02 16:31   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-12-02 18:17     ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-03  8:01   ` John Hubbard
2020-12-03  8:46   ` Michal Hocko
2020-12-03 14:58     ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-02  5:23 ` [PATCH 3/6] mm/gup: make __gup_longterm_locked common Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-02 16:31   ` Ira Weiny
2020-12-02 16:33     ` Ira Weiny
2020-12-02 18:19       ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-03  0:03         ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-03  8:03   ` John Hubbard
2020-12-03 15:02     ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-02  5:23 ` [PATCH 4/6] mm cma: rename PF_MEMALLOC_NOCMA to PF_MEMALLOC_NOMOVABLE Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-03  8:04   ` John Hubbard
2020-12-03 15:02     ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-03  8:57   ` Michal Hocko
2020-12-03 15:02     ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-02  5:23 ` [PATCH 5/6] mm: honor PF_MEMALLOC_NOMOVABLE for all allocations Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-03  8:17   ` John Hubbard
2020-12-03 15:06     ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-03 16:51       ` John Hubbard
2020-12-03  9:17   ` Michal Hocko
2020-12-03 15:15     ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-04  8:43       ` Michal Hocko
2020-12-04  8:54         ` Michal Hocko
2020-12-04 16:07           ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-02  5:23 ` [PATCH 6/6] mm/gup: migrate pinned pages out of movable zone Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-02 16:35   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-03  0:19     ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-03  1:08       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-03  1:34         ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-03 14:17           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-03 16:40             ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-03 16:59               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-03 17:14                 ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-03 19:15                   ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-03 19:36                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-04 16:24                       ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-04 17:06                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-04 20:05             ` Daniel Jordan
2020-12-04 20:16               ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-08  2:27                 ` Daniel Jordan
2020-12-04 20:52               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-08  2:48                 ` Daniel Jordan
2020-12-08 13:24                   ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2020-12-03  8:22   ` John Hubbard
2020-12-03 15:55     ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-04  4:13   ` Joonsoo Kim
2020-12-04 17:43     ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-07  7:13       ` Joonsoo Kim
2020-12-04  4:02 ` [PATCH 0/6] prohibit pinning pages in ZONE_MOVABLE Joonsoo Kim
2020-12-04 15:55   ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-04 16:10     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-04 17:50       ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-04 18:01         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-12-04 18:10           ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-07  7:12         ` Joonsoo Kim
2020-12-07 12:13           ` Michal Hocko

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