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From: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>
Cc: Sourav Panda <souravpanda@google.com>,
	corbet@lwn.net, rafael@kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 1/1] mm: report per-page metadata information
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2023 15:28:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2023110216-labrador-neurosis-1e6e@gregkh> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+CK2bDUaQDwgF-Q0vfNzHfXmn-QhnHTSE32_RfttHSGB7O3DA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 10:24:04AM -0400, Pasha Tatashin wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 2, 2023 at 1:42 AM Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 01, 2023 at 04:08:16PM -0700, Sourav Panda wrote:
> > > Adds a new per-node PageMetadata field to
> > > /sys/devices/system/node/nodeN/meminfo
> >
> > No, this file is already an abuse of sysfs and we need to get rid of it
> > (it has multiple values in one file.)  Please do not add to the
> > nightmare by adding new values.
> 
> Hi Greg,
> 
> Today, nodeN/meminfo is a counterpart of /proc/meminfo, they contain
> almost identical fields, but show node-wide and system-wide views.

And that is wrong, and again, an abuse of sysfs, please do not continue
to add to it, that will only cause problems.

> Since per-page metadata is added into /proc/meminfo, it is logical to
> add into nodeN/meminfo, some nodes can have more or less struct page
> data based on size of the node, and also the way memory is configured,
> such as use of vmemamp optimization etc, therefore this information is
> useful to users.
> 
> I am not aware of any example of where a system-wide field from
> /proc/meminfo is represented as a separate sysfs file under node0/. If
> nodeN/meminfo is ever broken down into separate files it will affect
> all the fields in it the same way with or without per-page metadata

All of the fields should be individual files, please start adding them
if you want to add new items, I do not want to see additional abuse here
as that will cause problems (as you are seeing with the proc file.)

> > Also, even if you did want to do this, you didn't document it properly
> > in Documentation/ABI/ :(
> 
>  The documentation for the fields in nodeN/meminfo is only specified
> in  Documentation/filesystems/proc.rst, there is no separate sysfs
> Documentation for the fields in this file, we could certainly add
> that.

All sysfs files need to be documented in Documentation/ABI/ otherwise
you should get a warning when running our testing scripts.

thanks,

greg k-h


  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-02 14:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-01 23:08 [PATCH v5 0/1] mm: report per-page metadata information Sourav Panda
2023-11-01 23:08 ` [PATCH v5 1/1] " Sourav Panda
2023-11-01 23:40   ` Wei Xu
2023-11-02  2:57     ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-02 15:43       ` Wei Xu
2023-11-02 15:47         ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-02 15:50           ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-02 15:53             ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-02 16:02               ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-02 16:09                 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-02 16:43                   ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-02 16:58                     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-02 17:11                       ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-02 18:06                         ` Wei Xu
2023-11-02 18:33                           ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-02 20:22                             ` Wei Xu
2023-11-03  1:06                               ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-03  4:27                                 ` Wei Xu
2023-11-03 15:18                                   ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-02 20:28                         ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-02  5:42   ` Greg KH
2023-11-02 14:24     ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-02 14:28       ` Greg KH [this message]
2023-11-02 15:11         ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-11-02 10:19   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2023-11-17  2:42   ` kernel test robot
2023-11-20 21:47     ` Sourav Panda
2023-11-02 18:13 ` [PATCH v5 0/1] " Matthew Wilcox
2023-11-03  4:53   ` Sourav Panda

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