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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
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Subject: Re: [RFC RESEND 00/16] Split IOMMU DMA mapping operation to two steps
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2024 16:05:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240307150505.GA28978@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240307000036.GP9225@ziepe.ca>

On Wed, Mar 06, 2024 at 08:00:36PM -0400, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > 
> > I don't think you can do without dma_addr_t storage.  In most cases
> > your can just store the dma_addr_t in the LE/BE encoded hardware
> > SGL, so no extra storage should be needed though.
> 
> RDMA (and often DRM too) generally doesn't work like that, the driver
> copies the page table into the device and then the only reason to have
> a dma_addr_t storage is to pass that to the dma unmap API. Optionally
> eliminating long term dma_addr_t storage would be a worthwhile memory
> savings for large long lived user space memory registrations.

It's just kinda hard to do.  For aligned IOMMU mapping you'd only
have one dma_addr_t mappings (or maybe a few if P2P regions are
involved), so this probably doesn't matter.  For direct mappings
you'd have a few, but maybe the better answer is to use THP
more aggressively and reduce the number of segments.

> I wrote the list as from a single IO operation perspective, so all but
> 5 need to store a single IOVA range that could be stored in some
> simple non-dynamic memory along with whatever HW SGLs/etc are needed.
> 
> The point of 5 being different is because the driver has to provide a
> dynamically sized list of dma_addr_t's as storage until unmap. 5 is
> the only case that requires that full list.

No, all cases need to store one or more ranges.

> > > So are you thinking something more like a driver flow of:
> > > 
> > >   .. extent IO and get # aligned pages and know if there is P2P ..
> > >   dma_init_io(state, num_pages, p2p_flag)
> > >   if (dma_io_single_range(state)) {
> > >        // #2, #4
> > >        for each io()
> > > 	    dma_link_aligned_pages(state, io range)
> > >        hw_sgl = (state->iova, state->len)
> > >   } else {
> > 
> > I think what you have a dma_io_single_range should become before
> > the dma_init_io.  If we know we can't coalesce it really just is a
> > dma_map_{single,page,bvec} loop, no need for any extra state.
> 
> I imagine dma_io_single_range() to just check a flag in state.
> 
> I still want to call dma_init_io() for the non-coalescing cases
> because all the flows, regardless of composition, should be about as
> fast as dma_map_sg is today.

If all flows includes multiple non-coalesced regions that just makes
things very complicated, and that's exactly what I'd want to avoid.

> That means we need to always pre-allocate the IOVA in any case where
> the IOMMU might be active - even on a non-coalescing flow.
> 
> IOW, dma_init_io() always pre-allocates IOVA if the iommu is going to
> be used and we can't just call today's dma_map_page() in a loop on the
> non-coalescing side and pay the overhead of Nx IOVA allocations.
> 
> In large part this is for RDMA, were a single P2P page in a large
> multi-gigabyte user memory registration shouldn't drastically harm the
> registration performance by falling down to doing dma_map_page, and an
> IOVA allocation, on a 4k page by page basis.

But that P2P page needs to be handled very differently, as with it
we can't actually use a single iova range.  So I'm not sure how that
is even supposed to work.  If you have

 +-------+-----+-------+
 | local | P2P | local |
 +-------+-----+-------+

you need at least 3 hw SGL entries, as the IOVA won't be contigous.

> The other thing that got hand waved here is how does dma_init_io()
> know which of the 6 states we are looking at? I imagine we probably
> want to do something like:
> 
>    struct dma_io_summarize summary = {};
>    for each io()
>         dma_io_summarize_range(&summary, io range)
>    dma_init_io(dev, &state, &summary);
>    if (state->single_range) {
>    } else {
>    }
>    dma_io_done_mapping(&state); <-- flush IOTLB once

That's why I really just want 2 cases.  If the caller guarantees the
range is coalescable and there is an IOMMU use the iommu-API like
API, else just iter over map_single/page.

> Enhancing the single sgl case is not a big change, I think. It does
> seem simplifying for the driver to not have to coalesce SGLs to detect
> the single-SGL fast-path.
> 
> > > This is not quite what you said, we split the driver flow based on
> > > needing 1 HW SGL vs need many HW SGL.
> > 
> > That's at least what I intended to say, and I'm a little curious as what
> > it came across.
> 
> Ok, I was reading the discussion more about as alignment than single
> HW SGL, I think you ment alignment as implying coalescing behavior
> implying single HW SGL..

Yes.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-07 15:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-05 11:18 [RFC RESEND 00/16] Split IOMMU DMA mapping operation to two steps Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 01/16] mm/hmm: let users to tag specific PFNs Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 02/16] dma-mapping: provide an interface to allocate IOVA Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 03/16] dma-mapping: provide callbacks to link/unlink pages to specific IOVA Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 04/16] iommu/dma: Provide an interface to allow preallocate IOVA Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 05/16] iommu/dma: Prepare map/unmap page functions to receive IOVA Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 06/16] iommu/dma: Implement link/unlink page callbacks Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 07/16] RDMA/umem: Preallocate and cache IOVA for UMEM ODP Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 08/16] RDMA/umem: Store ODP access mask information in PFN Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 09/16] RDMA/core: Separate DMA mapping to caching IOVA and page linkage Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 10/16] RDMA/umem: Prevent UMEM ODP creation with SWIOTLB Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 11/16] vfio/mlx5: Explicitly use number of pages instead of allocated length Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 12/16] vfio/mlx5: Rewrite create mkey flow to allow better code reuse Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 13/16] vfio/mlx5: Explicitly store page list Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 14/16] vfio/mlx5: Convert vfio to use DMA link API Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 15/16] block: add dma_link_range() based API Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 16/16] nvme-pci: use blk_rq_dma_map() for NVMe SGL Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 15:51   ` Keith Busch
2024-03-05 16:08     ` Jens Axboe
2024-03-05 16:39       ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2024-03-05 16:46         ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2024-03-06 14:33     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-06 15:05       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-06 16:14         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-03 14:41   ` Zhu Yanjun
2024-05-05 13:23     ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-05-06  7:25       ` Zhu Yanjun
2024-03-05 12:05 ` [RFC RESEND 00/16] Split IOMMU DMA mapping operation to two steps Robin Murphy
2024-03-05 12:29   ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-06 14:44     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-06 15:43       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-06 16:20         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-06 17:44           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-06 22:14             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-07  0:00               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-07 15:05                 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2024-03-07 21:01                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-08 16:49                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-08 20:23                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-09 16:14                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-10  9:35                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-12 21:28                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-13  7:46                               ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-13 21:44                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-19 15:36                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-20  8:55                             ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-21 22:40                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-22 17:46                                 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-24 23:16                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-21 22:39                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-22 18:43                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-24 23:22                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-27 17:14                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-07  6:01 ` Zhu Yanjun
2024-04-09 20:39   ` Zhu Yanjun
2024-05-02 23:32 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-05-03 11:57   ` Zhu Yanjun
2024-05-03 16:42   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-03 20:59     ` Zeng, Oak
2024-06-10 15:12     ` Zeng, Oak
2024-06-10 15:19       ` Zhu Yanjun
2024-06-10 16:18       ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-06-10 16:40         ` Zeng, Oak
2024-06-10 17:25           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-10 21:28             ` Zeng, Oak
2024-06-11  7:49               ` Zhu Yanjun
2024-06-11 15:45               ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-06-11 18:26                 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-06-11 19:11                   ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-06-11 15:39           ` Leon Romanovsky

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