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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>, Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Hyeonggon Yoo <42.hyeyoo@gmail.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
	Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 4/4] UNFINISHED mm, fs: use kmem_cache_charge() in path_openat()
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2024 02:27:31 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240324022731.GR538574@ZenIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=whgFtbTxCAg2CWQtDj7n6CEyzvdV1wcCj2qpMfpw0=m1A@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 01, 2024 at 09:51:18AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:

> Right. I think the natural and logical way to deal with this is to
> just say "we account when we add the file to the fdtable".
> 
> IOW, just have fd_install() do it. That's the really natural point,
> and also makes it very logical why alloc_empty_file_noaccount()
> wouldn't need to do the GFP_KERNEL_ACCOUNT.

We can have the same file occuring in many slots of many descriptor tables,
obviously.  So it would have to be a flag (in ->f_mode?) set by it, for
"someone's already charged for it", or you'll end up with really insane
crap on each fork(), dup(), etc.

But there's also MAP_ANON with its setup_shmem_file(), with the resulting
file not going into descriptor tables at all, and that's not a rare thing.

> > - I don't know how to properly unwind the accounting failure case. It
> >   seems like a new case because when we succeed the open, there's no
> >   further error path at least in path_openat().
> 
> Yeah, let me think about this part. Becasue fd_install() is the right
> point, but that too does not really allow for error handling.
> 
> Yes, we could close things and fail it, but it really is much too late
> at this point.

That as well.  For things like O_CREAT even do_dentry_open() would be too
late for unrolls.

> What I *think* I'd want for this case is
> 
>  (a) allow the accounting to go over by a bit
> 
>  (b) make sure there's a cheap way to ask (before) about "did we go
> over the limit"
> 
> IOW, the accounting never needed to be byte-accurate to begin with,
> and making it fail (cheaply and early) on the next file allocation is
> fine.
> 
> Just make it really cheap. Can we do that?

That might be reasonable, but TBH I would rather combine that with
do_dentry_open()/alloc_file() (i.e. the places where we set FMODE_OPENED)
as places to do that, rather than messing with fd_install().

How does the following sound?
	* those who allocate empty files mark them if they are intended
to be kernel-internal (see below for how to get the information there)
	* memcg charge happens when we set FMODE_OPENED, provided that
struct file instance is not marked kernel-internal.
	* exceeding the limit => pretend we'd succeeded and fail the
next allocation.

As for how to get the information down there...  We have 6 functions
where "allocate" and "mark it opened" callchains converge -
alloc_file() (pipe(2) et.al., mostly), path_openat() (normal opens,
but also filp_open() et.al.), dentry_open(), kernel_file_open(),
kernel_tmpfile_open(), dentry_create().  The last 3 are all
kernel-internal; dentry_open() might or might not be.

For path_openat() we can add a bit somewhere in struct open_flags;
the places where we set struct open_flags up would be the ones that
might need to be annotated.  That's
	file_open_name()
	file_open_root()
	do_sys_openat2() (definitely userland)
	io_openat2() (ditto)
	sys_uselib() (ditto)
	do_open_execat() (IMO can be considered userland in all cases)

For alloc_file() it's almost always userland.  IMO things like
dma_buf_export() and setup_shmem_file() should be charged.

So it's a matter of propagating the information to dentry_open(),
file_open_name() and file_open_root().  That's about 70 callers
to annotate, including filp_open() and file_open_root_mnt() into
the mix.  <greps>  61, actually, and from the quick look it
seems that most of them are really obvious...

Comments?


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-03-24  2:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-01 17:07 [PATCH RFC 0/4] memcg_kmem hooks refactoring and kmem_cache_charge() Vlastimil Babka
2024-03-01 17:07 ` [PATCH RFC 1/4] mm, slab: move memcg charging to post-alloc hook Vlastimil Babka
2024-03-12 18:52   ` Roman Gushchin
2024-03-12 18:59     ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-03-12 20:35       ` Roman Gushchin
2024-03-13 10:55     ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-03-13 17:34       ` Roman Gushchin
2024-03-15  3:23   ` Chengming Zhou
2024-03-01 17:07 ` [PATCH RFC 2/4] mm, slab: move slab_memcg hooks to mm/memcontrol.c Vlastimil Babka
2024-03-12 18:56   ` Roman Gushchin
2024-03-12 19:32     ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-03-12 20:36       ` Roman Gushchin
2024-03-01 17:07 ` [PATCH RFC 3/4] mm, slab: introduce kmem_cache_charge() Vlastimil Babka
2024-03-01 17:07 ` [PATCH RFC 4/4] UNFINISHED mm, fs: use kmem_cache_charge() in path_openat() Vlastimil Babka
2024-03-01 17:51   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-03-01 18:53     ` Roman Gushchin
2024-03-12  9:22       ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-03-12 19:05         ` Roman Gushchin
2024-03-04 12:47     ` Christian Brauner
2024-03-24  2:27     ` Al Viro [this message]
2024-03-24 17:44       ` Linus Torvalds

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