From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
Fuad Tabba <tabba@google.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
Elliot Berman <quic_eberman@quicinc.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
maz@kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
pbonzini@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/5] mm/gup: Introduce exclusive GUP pinning
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2024 20:00:34 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240620230034.GL2494510@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZnSt-_dkjStvT1WB@google.com>
> This is the step that concerns me. "Relatively short time" is, well, relative.
> Hmm, though I suppose if userspace managed to map a shared page into something
> that pins the page, and can't force an unpin, e.g. by stopping I/O?, then either
> there's a host userspace bug or a guest bug, and so effectively hanging the vCPU
> that is waiting for the conversion to complete is ok.
The whole entire point of FOLL_LONGTERM is to interact with
ZONE_MOVABLE stuff such that only FOLL_LONGTERM users will cause
unlimited refcount elevation.
Blocking FOLL_LONGTERM is supposed to result result in pins that go to
zero on their own in some entirely kernel controlled time
frame. Userspace is not supposed to be able to do anything to prevent
this.
This is not necessarily guarenteed "fast", but it is certainly largely
under the control of hypervisor kernel and VMM. ie if you do O_DIRECT
to the shared memory then the memory will remain pinned until the
storage completes. Which might be ms or it might be a xx second
storage timeout.
But putting it in the full context, if the guest tries to make a page
private that is actively undergoing IO while shared, then I think it
is misbehaving and it is quite reasonable to stall its call for
private until the page refs drop to zero. If guests want shared to
private to be fast then guests need to ensure there is no outstanding
IO.
In other words the page ref scheme would only be protective against
hostile guests and in real workloads we'd never expect to have to
wait. The same as ZONE_MOVABLE.
Jason
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-06-20 23:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-06-19 0:05 [PATCH RFC 0/5] mm/gup: Introduce exclusive GUP pinning Elliot Berman
2024-06-19 0:05 ` [PATCH RFC 1/5] mm/gup: Move GUP_PIN_COUNTING_BIAS to page_ref.h Elliot Berman
2024-06-19 0:05 ` [PATCH RFC 2/5] mm/gup: Add an option for obtaining an exclusive pin Elliot Berman
2024-06-19 0:05 ` [PATCH RFC 3/5] mm/gup: Add support for re-pinning a normal pinned page as exclusive Elliot Berman
2024-06-19 0:05 ` [PATCH RFC 4/5] mm/gup-test: Verify exclusive pinned Elliot Berman
2024-06-19 0:05 ` [PATCH RFC 5/5] mm/gup_test: Verify GUP grabs same pages twice Elliot Berman
2024-06-19 0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 0/5] mm/gup: Introduce exclusive GUP pinning Elliot Berman
2024-06-19 2:44 ` John Hubbard
2024-06-19 7:37 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-19 9:11 ` Fuad Tabba
2024-06-19 11:51 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-19 12:01 ` Fuad Tabba
2024-06-19 12:42 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-20 15:37 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-06-21 8:23 ` Fuad Tabba
2024-06-21 8:43 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-21 8:54 ` Fuad Tabba
2024-06-21 9:10 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-21 10:16 ` Fuad Tabba
2024-06-21 16:54 ` Elliot Berman
2024-06-24 19:03 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-06-24 21:50 ` David Rientjes
2024-06-26 3:19 ` Vishal Annapurve
2024-06-26 5:20 ` Pankaj Gupta
2024-06-19 12:17 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20 4:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-06-20 8:32 ` Fuad Tabba
2024-06-20 13:55 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-20 14:01 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20 14:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-20 14:45 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20 16:04 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-06-20 18:56 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20 16:36 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-20 18:53 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20 20:30 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-06-20 20:47 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20 22:32 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-06-20 23:00 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2024-06-20 23:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-20 23:54 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-06-21 7:43 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-21 12:39 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-20 23:08 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-20 22:47 ` Elliot Berman
2024-06-20 23:18 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-21 7:32 ` Quentin Perret
2024-06-21 8:02 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-21 9:25 ` Quentin Perret
2024-06-21 9:37 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-21 16:48 ` Elliot Berman
2024-06-21 12:26 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-19 12:16 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20 8:47 ` Fuad Tabba
2024-06-20 9:00 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20 14:01 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-20 13:08 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-06-20 14:14 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20 14:34 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-02 8:26 ` Tian, Kevin
2024-08-02 11:22 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-05 2:24 ` Tian, Kevin
2024-08-05 23:22 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-06 0:50 ` Tian, Kevin
2024-06-20 16:33 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-07-12 23:29 ` Ackerley Tng
2024-07-16 16:03 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-16 16:08 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-16 17:34 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-16 20:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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