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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Fuad Tabba <tabba@google.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	Elliot Berman <quic_eberman@quicinc.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	maz@kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	pbonzini@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/5] mm/gup: Introduce exclusive GUP pinning
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2024 20:11:33 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240620231133.GN2494510@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZnSRZcap1dc2_WBV@google.com>

On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 01:30:29PM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> I.e. except for blatant bugs, e.g. use-after-free, we need to be able to guarantee
> with 100% accuracy that there are no outstanding mappings when converting a page
> from shared=>private.  Crossing our fingers and hoping that short-term GUP will
> have gone away isn't enough.

To be clear it is not crossing fingers. If the page refcount is 0 then
there are no references to that memory anywhere at all. It is 100%
certain.

It may take time to reach zero, but when it does it is safe.

Many things rely on this property, including FSDAX.

> For non-CoCo VMs, I expect we'll want to be much more permissive, but I think
> they'll be a complete non-issue because there is no shared vs. private to worry
> about.  We can simply allow any and all userspace mappings for guest_memfd that is
> attached to a "regular" VM, because a misbehaving userspace only loses whatever
> hardening (or other benefits) was being provided by using guest_memfd.  I.e. the
> kernel and system at-large isn't at risk.

It does seem to me like guest_memfd should really focus on the private
aspect.

If we need normal memfd enhancements of some kind to work better with
KVM then that may be a better option than turning guest_memfd into
memfd.

Jason


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-06-20 23:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-19  0:05 [PATCH RFC 0/5] mm/gup: Introduce exclusive GUP pinning Elliot Berman
2024-06-19  0:05 ` [PATCH RFC 1/5] mm/gup: Move GUP_PIN_COUNTING_BIAS to page_ref.h Elliot Berman
2024-06-19  0:05 ` [PATCH RFC 2/5] mm/gup: Add an option for obtaining an exclusive pin Elliot Berman
2024-06-19  0:05 ` [PATCH RFC 3/5] mm/gup: Add support for re-pinning a normal pinned page as exclusive Elliot Berman
2024-06-19  0:05 ` [PATCH RFC 4/5] mm/gup-test: Verify exclusive pinned Elliot Berman
2024-06-19  0:05 ` [PATCH RFC 5/5] mm/gup_test: Verify GUP grabs same pages twice Elliot Berman
2024-06-19  0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 0/5] mm/gup: Introduce exclusive GUP pinning Elliot Berman
2024-06-19  2:44 ` John Hubbard
2024-06-19  7:37   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-19  9:11     ` Fuad Tabba
2024-06-19 11:51       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-19 12:01         ` Fuad Tabba
2024-06-19 12:42           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-20 15:37           ` Sean Christopherson
2024-06-21  8:23             ` Fuad Tabba
2024-06-21  8:43               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-21  8:54                 ` Fuad Tabba
2024-06-21  9:10                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-21 10:16                     ` Fuad Tabba
2024-06-21 16:54                       ` Elliot Berman
2024-06-24 19:03                         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-06-24 21:50                           ` David Rientjes
2024-06-26  3:19                             ` Vishal Annapurve
2024-06-26  5:20                               ` Pankaj Gupta
2024-06-19 12:17         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20  4:11         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-06-20  8:32           ` Fuad Tabba
2024-06-20 13:55             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-20 14:01               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20 14:29                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-20 14:45                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20 16:04                     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-06-20 18:56                       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20 16:36                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-20 18:53                       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20 20:30                         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-06-20 20:47                           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20 22:32                             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-06-20 23:00                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-20 23:11                           ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2024-06-20 23:54                             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-06-21  7:43                               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-21 12:39                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-20 23:08                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-20 22:47                   ` Elliot Berman
2024-06-20 23:18                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-21  7:32                       ` Quentin Perret
2024-06-21  8:02                         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-21  9:25                           ` Quentin Perret
2024-06-21  9:37                             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-21 16:48                             ` Elliot Berman
2024-06-21 12:26                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-19 12:16       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20  8:47         ` Fuad Tabba
2024-06-20  9:00           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20 14:01             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-20 13:08     ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-06-20 14:14       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20 14:34         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-02  8:26           ` Tian, Kevin
2024-08-02 11:22             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-05  2:24               ` Tian, Kevin
2024-08-05 23:22                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-06  0:50                   ` Tian, Kevin
2024-06-20 16:33         ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-07-12 23:29 ` Ackerley Tng
2024-07-16 16:03   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-16 16:08     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-16 17:34       ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-16 20:11         ` Jason Gunthorpe

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