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From: Conor Dooley <conor@kernel.org>
To: Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@huawei.com>
Cc: linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	james.morse@arm.com, Yicong Yang <yangyicong@huawei.com>,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	linuxarm@huawei.com, Yushan Wang <wangyushan12@huawei.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org,
	Lorenzo Pieralisi <lpieralisi@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/6] Cache coherency management subsystem
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2025 22:32:15 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250321-failing-squatted-37a88909bde2@spud> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250320174118.39173-1-Jonathan.Cameron@huawei.com>

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On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 05:41:12PM +0000, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
> Note that I've only a vague idea of who will care about this
> so please do +CC others as needed.
> 
> On x86 there is the much loved WBINVD instruction that causes a write back
> and invalidate of all caches in the system. It is expensive but it is
> necessary in a few corner cases. These are cases where the contents of
> Physical Memory may change without any writes from the host. Whilst there
> are a few reasons this might happen, the one I care about here is when
> we are adding or removing mappings on CXL. So typically going from
> there being actual memory at a host Physical Address to nothing there
> (reads as zero, writes dropped) or visa-versa. That involves the
> reprogramming of address decoders (HDM Decoders); in the near future
> it may also include the device offering dynamic capacity extents. The
> thing that makes it very hard to handle with CPU flushes is that the
> instructions are normally VA based and not guaranteed to reach beyond
> the Point of Coherence or similar. You might be able to (ab)use
> various flush operations intended to ensure persistence memory but
> in general they don't work either.
> 
> So on other architectures such as ARM64 we have no instruction similar to
> WBINVD but we may have device interfaces in the system that provide a way
> to ensure a PA range undergoes the write back and invalidate action. This
> RFC is to find a way to support those cache maintenance device interfaces.
> The ones I know about are much more flexible than WBINVD, allowing
> invalidation of particular PA ranges, or a much richer set of flush types
> (not supported yet as not needed for upstream use cases).
> 
> To illustrate how a solution might work, I've taken both a HiSilicon
> design (slight quirk as registers overlap with existing PMU driver)
> and more controversially a firmware interface proposal from ARM
> (wrapped up in made up ACPI) that was dropped from the released spec
> but for which the alpha spec is still available.
> 
> Why drivers/cache?
> - Mainly because it exists and smells like a reasonable place.
> - Conor, you are maintainer for this currently do you mind us putting this
>   stuff in there?

drivers/cache was just something to put the cache controller drivers we
have on RISC-V that implement the various arch_dma*() callbacks in
non-standard ways that made more sense than drivers/soc/<soc vendor>
since the controllers are IP provided by CPU vendors. There's only
two drivers here now, but I am aware of another two non-standard CMO
mechanisms if the silicon with them so there'll likely be more in the
future :) I'm only really maintainer of it to avoid it being another
thing for Palmer to look after :)

I've only skimmed this for now, but I think it is reasonable to put them
here. Maybe my skim is showing, but it would not surprise me to see a
driver providing both non-standard arch_dma*() callbacks as well as
dealing with CXL mappings via this new class on RISC-V in the future..
Either way, I think it'd probably be a good idea to add ?you? as a
co-maintainer if the directory is going to be used for your proposed
interface/drivers, for what I hope is an obvious reason!

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-03-21 22:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-20 17:41 [RFC PATCH 0/6] Cache coherency management subsystem Jonathan Cameron
2025-03-20 17:41 ` [RFC PATCH 1/6] memregion: Support fine grained invalidate by cpu_cache_invalidate_memregion() Jonathan Cameron
2025-03-20 17:41 ` [RFC PATCH 2/6] arm64: Support ARCH_HAS_CPU_CACHE_INVALIDATE_MEMREGION Jonathan Cameron
2025-03-28 18:22   ` Catalin Marinas
2025-03-29  7:14     ` Yicong Yang
2025-06-13 17:14       ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-03-20 17:41 ` [RFC PATCH 3/6] cache: coherency device class Jonathan Cameron
2025-03-20 21:12   ` Greg KH
2025-03-21  9:38     ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-03-20 17:41 ` [RFC PATCH 4/6] cache: Support cache maintenance for HiSilicon SoC Hydra Home Agent Jonathan Cameron
2025-03-20 17:41 ` [RFC PATCH 5/6] acpi: PoC of Cache control via ACPI0019 and _DSM Jonathan Cameron
2025-03-20 17:41 ` [RFC PATCH 6/6] Hack: Pretend we have PSCI 1.2 Jonathan Cameron
2025-03-21 22:32 ` Conor Dooley [this message]
2025-03-24 12:00   ` [RFC PATCH 0/6] Cache coherency management subsystem Jonathan Cameron

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