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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Byungchul Park <byungchul@sk.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 1/9] netmem: introduce struct netmem_desc mirroring struct page
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2025 18:55:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250611185542.118230c1@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250610013001.GA65598@system.software.com>

On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 10:30:01 +0900 Byungchul Park wrote:
> > What's the intended relation between the types?  
> 
> One thing I'm trying to achieve is to remove pp fields from struct page,
> and make network code use struct netmem_desc { pp fields; } instead of
> sturc page for that purpose.
> 
> The reason why I union'ed it with the existing pp fields in struct
> net_iov *temporarily* for now is, to fade out the existing pp fields
> from struct net_iov so as to make the final form like:

I see, I may have mixed up the complaints there. I thought the effort
was also about removing the need for the ref count. And Rx is
relatively light on use of ref counting. 

> > netmem_ref exists to clearly indicate that memory may not be readable.
> > Majority of memory we expect to allocate from page pool must be
> > kernel-readable. What's the plan for reading the "single pointer"
> > memory within the kernel?
> > 
> > I think you're approaching this problem from the easiest and least  
> 
> No, I've never looked for the easiest way.  My bad if there are a better
> way to achieve it.  What would you recommend?

Sorry, I don't mean that the approach you took is the easiest way out.
I meant that between Rx and Tx handling Rx is the easier part because 
we already have the suitable abstraction. It's true that we use more
fields in page struct on Rx, but I thought Tx is also more urgent
as there are open reports for networking taking references on slab
pages.

In any case, please make sure you maintain clear separation between
readable and unreadable memory in the code you produce.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-12  1:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-09  4:32 [PATCH net-next 0/9] Split netmem from struct page Byungchul Park
2025-06-09  4:32 ` [PATCH net-next 1/9] netmem: introduce struct netmem_desc mirroring " Byungchul Park
2025-06-09 19:32   ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-06-10  1:30     ` Byungchul Park
2025-06-12  1:55       ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2025-06-13  1:13         ` Byungchul Park
2025-06-14  2:19           ` Mina Almasry
2025-06-17  2:31             ` netmem series needs some love and Acks from MM folks Harry Yoo
2025-06-17 16:09               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-17 16:32                 ` Harry Yoo
2025-06-18  0:08                 ` Byungchul Park
2025-06-18  7:51                   ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-06-20  4:12             ` [PATCH net-next 1/9] netmem: introduce struct netmem_desc mirroring struct page Byungchul Park
2025-06-11 20:53     ` Mina Almasry
2025-06-12  1:58       ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-06-17  2:20   ` Harry Yoo
2025-06-19  9:32   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-06-09  4:32 ` [PATCH net-next 2/9] page_pool: rename page_pool_return_page() to page_pool_return_netmem() Byungchul Park
2025-06-10 11:15   ` Ilias Apalodimas
2025-06-09  4:32 ` [PATCH net-next 3/9] page_pool: rename __page_pool_release_page_dma() to __page_pool_release_netmem_dma() Byungchul Park
2025-06-10 11:11   ` Ilias Apalodimas
2025-06-09  4:32 ` [PATCH net-next 4/9] page_pool: rename __page_pool_alloc_pages_slow() to __page_pool_alloc_netmems_slow() Byungchul Park
2025-06-09  4:32 ` [PATCH net-next 5/9] netmem: use _Generic to cover const casting for page_to_netmem() Byungchul Park
2025-06-09  4:32 ` [PATCH net-next 6/9] netmem: remove __netmem_get_pp() Byungchul Park
2025-06-10 11:11   ` Ilias Apalodimas
2025-06-09  4:32 ` [PATCH net-next 7/9] page_pool: make page_pool_get_dma_addr() just wrap page_pool_get_dma_addr_netmem() Byungchul Park
2025-06-09  4:32 ` [PATCH net-next 8/9] netmem: introduce a netmem API, virt_to_head_netmem() Byungchul Park
2025-06-09  4:32 ` [PATCH net-next 9/9] page_pool: access ->pp_magic through struct netmem_desc in page_pool_page_is_pp() Byungchul Park
2025-06-09 17:39   ` Mina Almasry
2025-06-10  1:45     ` Byungchul Park
2025-06-11 14:30       ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-06-12  0:39         ` Byungchul Park
2025-06-17  2:37         ` Harry Yoo
2025-06-19  9:55   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-06-19 10:42     ` Byungchul Park
2025-06-09  6:49 ` [PATCH net-next 0/9] Split netmem from struct page Byungchul Park
2025-06-11 14:25 ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-06-11 20:48   ` Mina Almasry
2025-06-12  0:40     ` Byungchul Park
2025-06-16  7:45     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer

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