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From: Kiryl Shutsemau <kirill@shutemov.name>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
Cc: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
	Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>
Subject: [RFC, PATCH 0/2] Large folios vs. SIGBUS semantics
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2025 17:30:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251020163054.1063646-1-kirill@shutemov.name> (raw)

From: Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>

I do NOT want the patches in this patchset to be applied. Instead, I
would like to discuss the semantics of large folios versus SIGBUS.

## Background

Accessing memory within a VMA, but beyond i_size rounded up to the next
page size, is supposed to generate SIGBUS.

This definition is simple if all pages are PAGE_SIZE in size, but with
large folios in the picture, it is no longer the case.

## Problem

Darrick reported[1] an xfstests regression in v6.18-rc1. generic/749
failed due to missing SIGBUS. This was caused by my recent changes that
try to fault in the whole folio where possible:

	19773df031bc ("mm/fault: try to map the entire file folio in finish_fault()")
	357b92761d94 ("mm/filemap: map entire large folio faultaround")

These changes did not consider i_size when setting up PTEs, leading to
xfstest breakage.

However, the problem has been present in the kernel for a long time -
since huge tmpfs was introduced in 2016. The kernel happily maps
PMD-sized folios as PMD without checking i_size. And huge=always tmpfs
allocates PMD-size folios on any writes.

I considered this corner case when I implemented a large tmpfs, and my
conclusion was that no one in their right mind should rely on receiving
a SIGBUS signal when accessing beyond i_size. I cannot imagine how it
could be useful for the workload.

Generic/749 was introduced last year with reference to POSIX, but no
real workloads were mentioned. It also acknowledged the tmpfs deviation
from the test case.

POSIX indeed says[3]:

	References within the address range starting at pa and
	continuing for len bytes to whole pages following the end of an
	object shall result in delivery of a SIGBUS signal.

Do we care about adhering strictly to this in absence of real workloads
that relies on this semantics?

I think it valuable to allow kernel to map memory with a larger chunks
-- whole folio -- to get TLB benefits (from both huge pages and TLB
coalescing). I value TLB hit rate over POSIX wording.

Any opinions?

See also discussion in the thread[1] with the report.

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20251014175214.GW6188@frogsfrogsfrogs
[2] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/fs/xfs/xfstests-dev.git/commit/tests/generic/749?h=for-next&id=e4a6b119e5229599eac96235fb7e683b8a8bdc53
[3] https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9799919799/

Kiryl Shutsemau (2):
  mm/memory: Do not populate page table entries beyond i_size.
  mm/truncate: Unmap large folio on split failure

 mm/filemap.c  | 18 ++++++++++--------
 mm/memory.c   | 12 ++++++++++--
 mm/truncate.c | 29 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++---
 3 files changed, 46 insertions(+), 13 deletions(-)

-- 
2.50.1



             reply	other threads:[~2025-10-20 16:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-20 16:30 Kiryl Shutsemau [this message]
2025-10-20 16:30 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm/memory: Do not populate page table entries beyond i_size Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-20 16:30 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm/truncate: Unmap large folio on split failure Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-20 23:28 ` [RFC, PATCH 0/2] Large folios vs. SIGBUS semantics Dave Chinner
2025-10-21  6:12   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-21  6:17     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-21  6:16   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-23 10:35     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-23 11:38     ` Dave Chinner
2025-10-23 15:48       ` Andreas Dilger
2025-10-24  6:50         ` Dave Chinner
2025-10-24  7:43           ` David Hildenbrand

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