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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 12/37] mm: use folio_zero_user for user pages in post_alloc_hook
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2026 15:42:22 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260608153957-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aiacZ6_7SG3nvVjM@lucifer>

On Mon, Jun 08, 2026 at 12:23:07PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 08, 2026 at 04:36:38AM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > When post_alloc_hook() needs to zero a page for an explicit
> > __GFP_ZERO allocation for a user page (user_addr is set), use folio_zero_user()
> > instead of kernel_init_pages().  This zeros near the faulting
> > address last, keeping those cachelines hot for the impending
> > user access.
> >
> > folio_zero_user() is only used for explicit __GFP_ZERO, not for
> > init_on_alloc.  On architectures with virtually-indexed caches
> > (e.g., ARM), clear_user_highpage() performs per-line cache
> > operations; using it for init_on_alloc would add overhead that
> > kernel_init_pages() avoids (the page fault path flushes the
> > cache at PTE installation time regardless).
> >
> > No functional change yet: current callers do not pass __GFP_ZERO
> > for user pages (they zero at the callsite instead).  Subsequent
> > patches will convert them.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
> > Assisted-by: Claude:claude-opus-4-6
> > ---
> >  mm/page_alloc.c | 35 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++---
> >  1 file changed, 32 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> >
> > diff --git a/mm/page_alloc.c b/mm/page_alloc.c
> > index 4676fd49819e..d4fbf1861a8a 100644
> > --- a/mm/page_alloc.c
> > +++ b/mm/page_alloc.c
> > @@ -1861,9 +1861,38 @@ inline void post_alloc_hook(struct page *page, unsigned int order,
> >  		for (i = 0; i != 1 << order; ++i)
> >  			page_kasan_tag_reset(page + i);
> >  	}
> > -	/* If memory is still not initialized, initialize it now. */
> > -	if (init)
> > -		kernel_init_pages(page, 1 << order);
> > +	/*
> > +	 * On architectures with cache aliasing, pages zeroed via the
> > +	 * kernel direct map (e.g. init_on_free) must be re-zeroed
> > +	 * through a user-congruent mapping.  Host-zeroed pages
> > +	 * (zeroed flag) don't need this: physical RAM is clean.
> > +	 */
> > +	if (!init && (gfp_flags & __GFP_ZERO) &&
> > +	    user_addr != USER_ADDR_NONE &&
> > +	    user_alloc_needs_zeroing())
> 
> We check this (gfp_flags & __GFP_ZERO) && user_addr != USER_ADDR_NONE thing
> twice, can we just put in a 'init_should_folio_zero' const bool or something?
> 
> > +		init = true;
> 
> As Vlasta says not sure if we want to add complexity just for these arches.
> 
> > +	/*
> > +	 * If memory is still not initialized, initialize it now.
> 
> I kinda hate that 'init' is unclear as to 'do init' or 'was init somewhere
> else'... Anwyay.
> 
> > +	 * When __GFP_ZERO was explicitly requested and user_addr is set,
> > +	 * use folio_zero_user() which zeros near the faulting address
> > +	 * last, keeping those cachelines hot.  For init_on_alloc, use
> > +	 * kernel_init_pages() to avoid unnecessary cache flush overhead
> > +	 * on architectures with virtually-indexed caches.
> 
> This whole paragraph seems pretty useless and just describing the code?
> 
> > +	 */
> > +	if (init) {
> > +		if ((gfp_flags & __GFP_ZERO) && user_addr != USER_ADDR_NONE) {
> > +			/*
> > +			 * folio_zero_user relies on folio_nr_pages which
> > +			 * requires __GFP_COMP for order > 0.  All user folio
> > +			 * allocations set __GFP_COMP via __folio_alloc.
> 
> This whole paragraph is useless and very like the kind of stuff AI generates for
> comments, i.e. overly long + entirely unnecessary stuff.


It was an attempt to make sashiko shut up, it doesn't understand the
context and kept complaining. Didn't really help so yea I should drop this.

> 
> > +			 * user_addr != USER_ADDR_NONE implies sleepable
> > +			 * context (user page fault).
> 
> Can you safely assume that? Also inferring which context we are in from this
> parameter seems risky.
> 
> It seems to me that you're now making it such that kernel developers:
> 
> - Have to know when and when not to specify a user address, and under what
>   circumstances we might consider that to be mapped.
> 
> - Need to know to do this correctly for aliasing architectures or have silent
>   correctness issues.
> 
> - Need to take context into account when specifying this.
> 
> We definitely need to find a simpler way to do this!
> 
> > +			 */
> > +			VM_WARN_ON_ONCE(order && !(gfp_flags & __GFP_COMP));
> 
> Surely by now we can assume this?

Another attempt to make it obvious.


> > +			folio_zero_user(page_folio(page), user_addr);
> > +		} else
> > +			kernel_init_pages(page, 1 << order);
> 
> I hate this hanging else branch... definitely prefer {} on both branches.
> 
> But in any case it seems like we could avoid some indentation with something
> like:
> 
> 	if (init && init_should_folio_zero) {
> 		...
> 	} else if (init) {
> 		...
> 	}
> 
> Or even a:
> 
> 	if (!init)
> 		goto out;
> 
> And stick an out label below?
> 
> > +	}
> 
> >
> >  	set_page_owner(page, order, gfp_flags);
> >  	page_table_check_alloc(page, order);
> > --
> > MST
> >
> 
> Oh and in general it seems that this conflicts with [0] which removes
> kernel_init_pages().
> 
> [0];https://lore.kernel.org/all/20260422102729.166599-1-hsalunke@amd.com/
> 
> Thanks, Lorenzo



  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-06-08 19:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-08  8:33 [PATCH v10 00/37] mm/virtio: skip redundant zeroing of host-zeroed pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:34 ` [PATCH v10 01/37] mm: mempolicy: fix interleave index calculation Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  9:43   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:34 ` [PATCH v10 02/37] mm: memory-failure: serialize TestSetPageHWPoison with zone->lock Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  9:43   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08 13:48     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 14:14       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08 20:17         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 16:20       ` Andrew Morton
2026-06-08  8:34 ` [PATCH v10 03/37] mm: page_alloc: propagate PageReported flag across buddy splits Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  9:52   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08 12:50     ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-06-08  8:34 ` [PATCH v10 04/37] mm: page_reporting: allow driver to set batch capacity Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:34 ` [PATCH v10 05/37] mm: hugetlb: remove dead alloc_hugetlb_folio stub Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  9:56   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:35 ` [PATCH v10 06/37] mm: move vma_alloc_folio_noprof to page_alloc.c Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 10:05   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:35 ` [PATCH v10 07/37] mm: thread user_addr through page allocator for cache-friendly zeroing Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 10:23   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08 11:06     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08 13:04       ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-06-08 13:09         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08 14:26           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-08 14:31             ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-06-08 14:37               ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-08 14:44                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-06-08 14:55                   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-08 19:33                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 19:59         ` Gregory Price
2026-06-08 20:21           ` Zi Yan
2026-06-08 20:33             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 20:40               ` Zi Yan
2026-06-08 21:04                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 21:16                   ` Zi Yan
2026-06-08 11:08     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-08 15:27       ` Zi Yan
2026-06-08 18:39         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-08 19:43           ` Gregory Price
2026-06-08 19:52             ` Zi Yan
2026-06-08 20:25               ` Gregory Price
2026-06-08 20:37                 ` Zi Yan
2026-06-08 20:56                   ` Gregory Price
2026-06-08 21:03                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:35 ` [PATCH v10 08/37] mm: add alloc_contig_frozen_pages_user " Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 10:29   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:35 ` [PATCH v10 09/37] mm: hugetlb: thread user_addr through gigantic page allocation Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:36 ` [PATCH v10 10/37] mm: add folio_zero_user stub for configs without THP/HUGETLBFS Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  9:12   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:36 ` [PATCH v10 11/37] mm: page_alloc: move prep_compound_page before post_alloc_hook Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 10:33   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:36 ` [PATCH v10 12/37] mm: use folio_zero_user for user pages in post_alloc_hook Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 11:23   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08 15:53     ` Gregory Price
2026-06-08 19:45       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 20:16         ` Gregory Price
2026-06-08 20:30           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 20:53             ` Gregory Price
2026-06-08 21:16               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 19:42     ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2026-06-08  8:36 ` [PATCH v10 13/37] mm: use __GFP_ZERO in vma_alloc_zeroed_movable_folio Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 10:39   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08 10:55     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:37 ` [PATCH v10 14/37] mm: remove arch vma_alloc_zeroed_movable_folio overrides Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 11:29   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:37 ` [PATCH v10 15/37] mm: alloc_anon_folio: pass raw fault address to vma_alloc_folio Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 11:35   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:37 ` [PATCH v10 16/37] mm: alloc_swap_folio: " Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 11:37   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08 15:59     ` Gregory Price
2026-06-08 20:09       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:37 ` [PATCH v10 17/37] mm: page_reporting: skip redundant zeroing of host-zeroed reported pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 12:00   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08 16:09     ` Gregory Price
2026-06-08 18:40       ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-06-08 19:55         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:38 ` [PATCH v10 18/37] mm: page_alloc: use aliasing checks instead of user_alloc_needs_zeroing Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 11:39   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:38 ` [PATCH v10 19/37] mm: page_alloc: clear PG_zeroed on buddy merge if not both zero Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 11:47   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:38 ` [PATCH v10 20/37] mm: page_alloc: preserve PG_zeroed in page_del_and_expand Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:38 ` [PATCH v10 21/37] mm: page_alloc: propagate PG_zeroed in split_large_buddy Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:38 ` [PATCH v10 22/37] mm: add free_frozen_pages_zeroed Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 12:06   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:38 ` [PATCH v10 23/37] mm: page_alloc: skip kernel_init_pages for FPI_ZEROED when safe Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 12:18   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:38 ` [PATCH v10 24/37] mm: add put_page_zeroed and folio_put_zeroed Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 12:25   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08 12:46     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-08 14:08       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 14:28         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-08 19:58           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:39 ` [PATCH v10 25/37] mm: use __GFP_ZERO in alloc_anon_folio Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 12:29   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:39 ` [PATCH v10 26/37] mm: vma_alloc_anon_folio_pmd: pass raw fault address to vma_alloc_folio Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 12:30   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:39 ` [PATCH v10 27/37] mm: use __GFP_ZERO in vma_alloc_anon_folio_pmd Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 12:32   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:39 ` [PATCH v10 28/37] mm: hugetlb: add gfp parameter and skip zeroing for zeroed pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 12:44   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:39 ` [PATCH v10 29/37] mm: memfd: skip zeroing for zeroed hugetlb pool pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 12:47   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:39 ` [PATCH v10 30/37] mm: page_reporting: add per-page zeroed bitmap for host feedback Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:39 ` [PATCH v10 31/37] virtio_balloon: submit reported pages as individual buffers Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:40 ` [PATCH v10 32/37] virtio_balloon: disable indirect descriptors Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:40 ` [PATCH v10 33/37] mm: page_reporting: add flush parameter with page budget Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:40 ` [PATCH v10 34/37] virtio_balloon: skip zeroing for host-zeroed reported pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:40 ` [PATCH v10 35/37] virtio_balloon: disable reporting zeroed optimization for confidential guests Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:40 ` [PATCH v10 36/37] mm: balloon: use put_page_zeroed for zeroed balloon pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 11:10   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-08  8:40 ` [PATCH v10 37/37] virtio_balloon: implement VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_DEVICE_INIT_ON_INFLATE Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  9:17 ` [PATCH v10 00/37] mm/virtio: skip redundant zeroing of host-zeroed pages Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08 12:52   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08 11:02 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-08 11:13   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-08 15:45     ` Gregory Price
2026-06-08 17:50       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08 19:39         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 14:21 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-06-08 20:02   ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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