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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com>
Cc: Logan Odell <loganodell@google.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] liveupdate: Move to feature flags for LUO and memfd ABI compatibility
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2026 22:24:03 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260905012403.GX4157646@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aptFFYqcSiBdMLE8@google.com>

On Fri, Sep 04, 2026 at 10:24:21PM +0000, David Matlack wrote:

> The proposal here (which is inspired by the KVM UAPI) is to ensure every
> LUO ABI struct has 2 properties:
> 
>  1. A field to encode options/features (e.g. u64 flags).
>  2. A way way to grow without breaking backward compatibility (e.g. so
>     we can add new fields).
> 
> Each flag can mean whatever it needs to. e.g. It can indicate the
> precence of one or more fields (i.e. new fields in the struct), or it
> can mean a field now has a different meaning (i.e. union in the struct).
> 
> This would enable adding support for new features without breaking
> backward compatibility. Downstream users would have to ensure their
> kernel does not start using a new feature while it can still rollback to
> a version that does not support the new feature.

This was never the biggest problem. The main issue was the functional
behaviors of the kernel that cannot be represented simply as data in a
struct with some flag bits.

Like for instance kernel A supports memfd folio sizes far larger than
kernel B because we fixed MAX_ORDER. You can't fix that just with
simplistic flags.

Jason


      reply	other threads:[~2026-09-05  1:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-03  2:34 [RFC PATCH 0/3] liveupdate: Move to feature flags for LUO and memfd ABI compatibility Logan Odell
2026-09-03  2:34 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] luo: Move to feature flags instead of compatibility strings Logan Odell
2026-09-03  2:34 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] luo: Export feature support to vmlinux section Logan Odell
2026-09-03  2:34 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] luo: memfd: Move to feature flags instead of compatibility strings Logan Odell
2026-09-04 16:00 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] liveupdate: Move to feature flags for LUO and memfd ABI compatibility Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-04 22:24   ` David Matlack
2026-09-05  1:24     ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]

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