From: SJ Park <sj@kernel.org>
To: Ravi Jonnalagadda <ravis.opensrc@gmail.com>
Cc: SJ Park <sj@kernel.org>,
corbet@lwn.net, damon@lists.linux.dev, linux-mm@kvack.org,
rdunlap@infradead.org, sashiko-bot@kernel.org,
skhan@linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v0] Docs/mm/damon/design: document data attributes report infra design (beyond page table accessed-bit milestone 2)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2026 22:32:26 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261022053227.90608-1-sj@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261022041708.2690-1-ravis.opensrc@gmail.com>
On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 21:17:08 -0700 Ravi Jonnalagadda <ravis.opensrc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi SJ,
>
> On Sun, 18 Oct 2026 13:08:07 -0700 SJ Park <sj@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> > Good question. damon_report_attr() will save the register contents and pid
> > into report, too. And the probe in kdamond context will decode the instruction
> > and get the memory address. For physical address, it will also do the page
> > table walk of the process of the pid.
>
> I measured what the samples carry, to see how far decode would go.
>
> On AMD, cpu-cycles:p is IBS Op, and its memory-op samples carry a
> hardware data address. On Intel (Granite Rapids), cycles samples carry
> no data address at all; the PEBS memory events
> (MEM_INST_RETIRED.ALL_LOADS/ALL_STORES) do.
>
> Share of samples with an address inside the 2 GiB test buffer (random
> loads and stores; perf record -d; one run per event):
>
> Xeon 6960P cycles:p / cycles:pp / :ppp 0 %
> Xeon 6960P mem_inst_retired.*:pp 100 %
> EPYC 9555P cycles:p, cycles:pp, ibs_op// ~21 % of all samples
> (the memory-op ones)
>
> How often the saved AX holds the target address when AX is the base
> register (perf record -d --intr-regs=AX; store to (%rax) vs
> pointer-chase load mov (%rax), %rax):
>
> Xeon 6960P store loop 100 % pointer-chase loop 0 %
> EPYC 9555P store loop 0 % pointer-chase loop 0 %
>
> PEBS saves registers just after the instruction retires, so a load that
> overwrites its base register defeats decode. IBS saves no general
> registers (perf reports the registers at the NMI), so decode is not
> reliable on AMD. Decode in kdamond must also survive exec, munmap, exit
> and pid reuse. These are synthetic loops chosen to separate the cases;
> how often real code hits the failing case is not measured.
>
> For the physical address, taking it at sample time, while the task is
> current, avoids walking a page table that may have changed by the time
> kdamond runs. IBS supplies it when valid; on Intel the producer can
> call perf_prepare_sample() in the overflow NMI to do the walk.
Thank you for these testing, Ravi. Unfortunately I'm still learning perf event
and therefore not yet fully understanding these tests. I will revisit after
gaining more understanding.
>
> So the suggestion is for the first report type to use the PMU-captured
> address and load/store flag (AMD cpu-cycles:p; on Intel, the PEBS
> memory events, which moves them into milestone 2). Your call, of
> course.
Meanwhile, I will start with the current plan (capture register contents in NMI
and decode in kdamond) if you don't have strong concern.
Thanks,
SJ
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Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-10-17 19:57 [RFC PATCH v0] Docs/mm/damon/design: document data attributes report infra design (beyond page table accessed-bit milestone 2) SJ Park
2026-10-18 19:58 ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-18 20:08 ` SJ Park
2026-10-22 4:17 ` Ravi Jonnalagadda
2026-10-22 5:32 ` SJ Park [this message]
2026-10-23 19:48 ` Ravi Jonnalagadda
2026-10-24 0:49 ` SJ Park
2026-10-22 4:17 ` Ravi Jonnalagadda
2026-10-22 5:29 ` SJ Park
2026-10-23 19:51 ` Ravi Jonnalagadda
2026-10-24 0:42 ` SJ Park
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