From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Vernon Yang <vernon2gm@gmail.com>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com,
ziy@nvidia.com, baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com,
Liam.Howlett@oracle.com, npache@redhat.com, ryan.roberts@arm.com,
dev.jain@arm.com, baohua@kernel.org, glider@google.com,
elver@google.com, dvyukov@google.com, vbabka@suse.cz,
rppt@kernel.org, surenb@google.com, mhocko@suse.com,
muchun.song@linux.dev, osalvador@suse.de, shuah@kernel.org,
richardcochran@gmail.com
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.or
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 6/7] mm: memory: add mTHP support for wp
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2025 13:58:34 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <226e21a5-8a8e-43a0-bf5f-12a761f49a27@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250814113813.4533-7-vernon2gm@gmail.com>
On 14.08.25 13:38, Vernon Yang wrote:
> Currently pagefaults on anonymous pages support mthp, and hardware
> features (such as arm64 contpte) can be used to store multiple ptes in
> one TLB entry, reducing the probability of TLB misses. However, when the
> process is forked and the cow is triggered again, the above optimization
> effect is lost, and only 4KB is requested once at a time.
>
> Therefore, make pagefault write-protect copy support mthp to maintain the
> optimization effect of TLB and improve the efficiency of cow pagefault.
>
> vm-scalability usemem shows a great improvement,
> test using: usemem -n 32 --prealloc --prefault 249062617
> (result unit is KB/s, bigger is better)
>
> | size | w/o patch | w/ patch | delta |
> |-------------|-----------|-----------|---------|
> | baseline 4K | 723041.63 | 717643.21 | -0.75% |
> | mthp 16K | 732871.14 | 799513.18 | +9.09% |
> | mthp 32K | 746060.91 | 836261.83 | +12.09% |
> | mthp 64K | 747333.18 | 855570.43 | +14.48% |
You're missing two of the most important metrics: COW latency and memory
waste.
Just imagine what happens if you have PMD-sized THP.
I would suggest you explore why Redis used to recommend to disable THPs
(hint: tail latency due to COW of way-too-large chunks before we do what
we do today).
So staring at usemem micro-benchmark results is a bit misleading.
As discussed in the past, I would actually suggest to
a) Let khugepaged deal with fixing this up later, keeping CoW path
simpler and faster.
b) If we really really have to do this during fault time, limit it to
some order (might even be have to be configurable).
I really think we should keep CoW latency low and instead let khugepaged
fix that up later. (Nico is working on mTHP collapse support)
[are you handling having a mixture of PageAnonExclusive within a folio
properly? Only staring at R/O PTEs is usually insufficient to determine
whether you can COW or whether you must reuse].
--
Cheers
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-08-14 11:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-08-14 11:38 [RFC PATCH 0/7] add mTHP support for wp Vernon Yang
2025-08-14 11:38 ` [RFC PATCH 1/7] mm: memory: replace single-operation with multi-operation in wp Vernon Yang
2025-08-14 11:38 ` [RFC PATCH 2/7] mm: memory: add ptep_clear_flush_range function Vernon Yang
2025-08-14 11:38 ` [RFC PATCH 3/7] mm: memory: add kmsan_copy_pages_meta function Vernon Yang
2025-08-14 11:38 ` [RFC PATCH 4/7] mm: memory: add offset to start copy for copy_user_gigantic_page Vernon Yang
2025-08-14 11:38 ` [RFC PATCH 5/7] mm: memory: improve wp_page_copy readability Vernon Yang
2025-08-14 11:38 ` [RFC PATCH 6/7] mm: memory: add mTHP support for wp Vernon Yang
2025-08-14 11:58 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-08-15 15:20 ` Vernon Yang
2025-08-16 6:40 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-14 12:57 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-15 15:30 ` Vernon Yang
2025-08-14 11:38 ` [RFC PATCH 7/7] selftests: mm: support wp mTHP collapse testing Vernon Yang
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